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Alsace lorrain (I’m sure I butchered the spelling) is an area of Germany or France that has been under border wars for hundreds of years. Some of their descendants settled a town in Texas. They don’t call themselves French or German they call themselves Alsatian. Not really the same thing but. There are not many instances of Europeans moving from one country to another and then moving to America, in any big group. The main groups that settled america were the English, Scots Irish, and Germans. If there is any other group with a similar history to the Scots Irish, they didn’t make up big enough numbers to have a term coined.
It's kind of funny but then i suppose it's like me saying i have Norman ancestry yet Normandy no longer exists as a Kingdom.
As for the main groups that settled in American being the Scots Irish, no. That makes no sense. There were only about 100,000 settlers from Scotland who settled in Ireland and how many of these actually went to the US? They make up a few million at most with ancestry. Yet what about the 5 million Irish who went to the US in a mere century alone therefore it is clearly the German, Irish and English being the largest groups among the white population. This is the only one i've seen with English being the highest however in recent memory but it seems to fluctuate over the years as does Irish and German which also used to be higher. Irish used to be 10 million higher. In the 1980 census nearly 25% of Americans claimed they had English ancestry however this also dropped significantly over the following decades. Perhaps with DNA tests?
It's kind of funny but then i suppose it's like me saying i have Norman ancestry yet Normandy no longer exists as a Kingdom.
As for the main groups that settled in American being the Scots Irish, no. That makes no sense. There were only about 100,000 settlers from Scotland who settled in Ireland and how many of these actually went to the US? They make up a few million at most with ancestry. Yet what about the 5 million Irish who went to the US in a mere century alone therefore it is clearly the German, Irish and English being the largest groups among the white population. This is the only one i've seen with English being the highest however in recent memory but it seems to fluctuate over the years as does Irish and German which also used to be higher. Ireland used to be 10 million higher. In the 1980 census nearly 25% of Americans claimed they had English ancestry however this also dropped significantly over the following decades. Perhaps with DNA tests?
It dropped because before 1990, "American" was not a choice on the Census for ethnicity. Once it was added, the majority of the people who chose American on the census were of British ancestry.
It dropped because before 1990, "American" was not a choice on the Census for ethnicity. Once it was added, the majority of the people who chose American on the census were of British ancestry.
Now American has dropped again however in this other census? lol. Does any of it have to do with whats popular at the time do you think?
The people who used to identify as English started identifying as American. DNA tests weren’t a thing until like 15 years ago.
The people who settled Scotland had lots of kids and some of those kids went on to America. Some stayed behind. If 100,000 came to Ireland the number probably tripled by every generation.
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From 1815 to 1845, 500,000 more Irish Protestant immigrants came from Ireland to the United States, as part of a migration of approximately 1 million immigrants from Ireland from 1820 to 1845. In 1820, following the Louisiana Purchase in 1804 and the Adams–Onís Treaty in 1819, the Catholic population of the United States had grown to 195,000 (or approximately 2 percent of the total population of approximately 9.6 million). By 1840, along with resumed immigration from Germany by the 1820s, the Catholic population grew to 663,000 (or approximately 4 percent out of the total population of 17.1 million). Following the potato blight in late 1845 that initiated the Great Famine in Ireland, from 1846 to 1851, more than 1 million more Irish immigrated to the United States, 90 percent of whom were Catholic.
From 1800 to 1844, Irish emigrants were mainly skilled and economically sufficient Ulster Protestants, including artisans, tradesmen and professionals, and farmers. It was the Famine and the threat of starvation amongst the Irish Catholic population that broke down the psychological barriers that discouraged them from making the passage to America before. After the second potato blight in 1846, panic over the need to escape their difficult situation in Ireland led many to the belief that "anywhere is better than here", and Irish Catholics looked towards England, Canada, and America for new lives. Irish immigration increased drastically during the period 1845–1849 as ships started transporting Irish emigrants during the autumn and winter periods to meet the demand.
Many of the Famine immigrants to New York City required quarantine on Staten Island or Blackwell's Island and thousands died from typhoid fever or cholera for reasons directly or indirectly related to the Famine. Despite the small increase in Catholic-Protestant intermarriage following the American Revolutionary War, Catholic-Protestant intermarriage remained uncommon in the United States in the 19th century.
Historians have characterized the etymology of the term "Scotch-Irish" as obscure, and the term itself as misleading and confusing to the extent that even its usage by authors in historic works of literature about the Scotch-Irish (such as The Mind of the South by W. J. Cash) is often incorrect. Historians David Hackett Fischer and James G. Leyburn note that usage of the term is unique to North American English and it is rarely used by British historians, or in Ireland or Scotland, where Scots-Irish is a term used by Irish Scottish people to describe themselves. The first recorded usage of the term was by Elizabeth I of England in 1573 in reference to Gaelic-speaking Scottish Highlanders who crossed the Irish Sea and intermarried with the Irish Catholic natives of Ireland.
While Protestant immigrants from Ireland in the 18th century were more commonly identified as "Anglo-Irish," and while some preferred to self-identify as "Anglo-Irish," usage of "Scotch-Irish" in reference to Ulster Protestants who immigrated to the United States in the 18th century likely became common among Episcopalians and Quakers in Pennsylvania, and records show that usage of the term with this meaning was made as early as 1757 by the Anglo-Irish philosopher Edmund Burke.
However, multiple historians have noted that from the time of the American Revolutionary War until 1850, the term largely fell out of usage, because most Ulster Protestants self-identified as "Irish" until large waves of immigration by Irish Catholics both during and after the 1840s Great Famine in Ireland led those Ulster Protestants in America who lived in proximity to the new immigrants to change their self-identification from "Irish" to "Scotch-Irish," while those Ulster Protestants who did not live in proximity to Irish Catholics continued to self-identify as "Irish," or as time went on, to start self-identifying as being of "American ancestry."
While those historians note that renewed usage of "Scotch-Irish" after 1850 was motivated by anti-Catholic prejudices among Ulster Protestants, considering the historically low rates of intermarriage between Protestants and Catholics in both Ireland and the United States, as well as the relative frequency of interethnic and interdenominational marriage amongst Protestants in Ulster, and despite the fact that not all Protestant migrants from Ireland historically were of Scottish descent, James G. Leyburn argued for retaining its usage for reasons of utility and preciseness, while historian Wayland F. Dunaway also argued for retention for historical precedent and linguistic description.
During the colonial period, Irish Protestant immigrants settled in the southern Appalachian backcountry and in the Carolina Piedmont. They became the primary cultural group in these areas, and their descendants were in the vanguard of westward movement through Virginia into Tennessee and Kentucky, and thence into Arkansas, Missouri and Texas. By the 19th century, through intermarriage with settlers of English and German ancestry, their descendants lost their identification with Ireland. "This generation of pioneers...was a generation of Americans, not of Englishmen or Germans or Scots-Irish." The two groups had little initial interaction in America, as the 18th-century Ulster immigrants were predominantly Protestant and had become settled largely in upland regions of the American interior, while the huge wave of 19th-century Catholic immigrant families settled primarily in the Northeast and Midwest port cities such as Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Buffalo, or Chicago. However, beginning in the early 19th century, many Irish migrated individually to the interior for work on large-scale infrastructure projects such as canals and, later in the century, railroads.
The Irish Protestants settled mainly in the colonial "back country" of the Appalachian Mountain region, and became the prominent ethnic strain in the culture that developed there. The descendants of Irish Protestant settlers had a great influence on the later culture of the Southern United States in particular and the culture of the United States in general through such contributions as American folk music, country and western music, and stock car racing, which became popular throughout the country in the late 20th century.
I’m not sure where your 5 million Irish number comes from but it’s safe to say a lot of them are the people we’re referring to as “scots Irish”. People in the American south who identify themselves as Irish are mostly scots Irish. Very few Catholic Irish settled the American south. They tended to settle the northeast.
Does the US have any other nationalities like this?
I can give you an example from Germany where there is the term "Russlanddeutsche" i.e. "Russia Germans" to describe people from Russia who were of German ancestry and had migrated to Germany in the mid to late 20th century based on the German law that allowed such people to settle in Germany again.
In practice most of those people may at best have had a German surname but were culturally mostly Russian otherwise as there was an aggressive program of destroying German culture in the Soviet Union and making such people "Russian" in character. Of course once in Germany they would be exposed to German cultural influences and become 're-germanized' over time. So that's an interesting mix of cultural influences.
This group was also known as "Black Sea Germans" and "Volga Germans" and other similar terms in America and indeed a significant number of them moved from Russia to America. To this day they represent a sizable group in some states in the Great Plains and even Canada. Interestingly because this migration occurred in the 19th century most of them were still culturally quite German at that time and in America they would have been viewed as more German than Russian (whereas in modern day Germany it's the exact opposite).
Between 1851 and 1920, 3.3 to 3.7 million Irish immigrated to the United States, including more than 90 percent of the more than 1 million Ulster Protestant emigrants out of Ireland from 1851 to 1900. Following the Great Famine (1845–1852), emigration from Ireland came primarily from Munster and Connacht, while 28 percent of all immigrants from Ireland from 1851 to 1900 continued to come from Ulster. Ulster immigration continued to account for as much as 20 percent of all immigration from Ireland to the United States in the 1880s and 1890s, and still accounted for 19 percent of all immigration from Ireland to the United States from 1900 to 1909 and 25 percent from 1910 to 1914. The Catholic population in the United States grew to 3.1 million by 1860 (or approximately 10 percent of the total U.S. population of 31.4 million), to 6.3 million by 1880 (or approximately 13 percent of the total U.S. population of 50.2 million), and further to 19.8 million by 1920 (or approximately 19 percent of the total U.S. population of 106 million).
Boom. 20% of the Irish that came over were from ulster. This is during the period that all of the Irish Catholics came over. This doesn’t even take into affect the fact that MANY MANY of Scots Irish were already in america long before this, and multiplying with each generation (some had already been in america for 3-4 generations)
The people who used to identify as English started identifying as American. DNA tests weren’t a thing until like 15 years ago.
The people who settled Scotland had lots of kids and some of those kids went on to America. Some stayed behind. If 100,000 came to Ireland the number probably tripled by every generation.
I’m not sure where your 5 million Irish number comes from but it’s safe to say a lot of them are the people we’re referring to as “scots Irish”. People in the American south who identify themselves as Irish are mostly scots Irish. Very few Catholic Irish settled the American south. They tended to settle the northeast.
Mate why are you not looking at the data. Scots Irish isn't in the top tier but it's there separate to Irish. Irish however is around 34 million. Also in the 1980 census most Americans, around 25% identified themselves as English so you are incorrect however that number dropped dramatically. It hasn't increased at all. Germans have dropped aswell but not by as much
Irish-Catholic Immigration to America
The Carroll Mansion and St. Mary's from the Spa [Creek], Annapolis, Md.
Irish-Catholic immigrants came to America during colonial times, too. For example, Charles Carroll immigrated to America in 1706. His grandson, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, signed his name to the Declaration of Independence.
Ireland’s 1845 Potato Blight is often credited with launching the second wave of Irish immigration to America. The fungus which decimated potato crops created a devastating famine. Starvation plagued Ireland and within five years, a million Irish were dead while half a million had arrived in America to start a new life. Living conditions in many parts of Ireland were very difficult long before the Potato Blight of 1845, however, and a large number of Irish left their homeland as early as the 1820s.
1880: Irish in America
In fact, Ireland’s population decreased dramatically throughout the nineteenth century. Census figures show an Irish population of 8.2 million in 1841, 6.6 million a decade later, and only 4.7 million in 1891. It is estimated that as many as 4.5 million Irish arrived in America between 1820 and 1930.
Between 1820 and 1860, the Irish constituted over one third of all immigrants to the United States. In the 1840s, they comprised nearly half of all immigrants to this nation. Interestingly, pre-famine immigrants from Ireland were predominately male, while in the famine years and their aftermath, entire families left the country. In later years, the majority of Irish immigrants were women. What can these statistics tell us about life in Ireland during this period?
Boom. 20% of the Irish that came over were from ulster. This is during the period that all of the Irish Catholics came over. This doesn’t even take into affect the fact that MANY MANY of Scots Irish were already in america long before this, and multiplying with each generation (some had already been in america for 3-4 generations)
I'm from Ulster lol. Ulster is a province in Ireland. Most of Ulster was Catholic. Thats why only two thirds of it was kept in the UK.
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