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No, I disagree about expecting others to behave properly. It's up to women to set the tone, set the pace. Remember that if you dress provocatively, you are potentially causing someone else's husband or boyfriend to look and lust and that's no better than adultery. A bunch of women on another thread were ready to stone a woman for having an affair with a married man yet they are really no better than that woman if they are dressing provocatively and enticing some man to look and lust. You are causing a man to go home and potentially feel disappointed that his significant other isn't as sexy as someone he sees at work or on the street. And if the woman is someone he works with and sees every day, it's only a matter of time before he starts flirting with her, then it's lunch together, or maybe texts and phone calls. Before long...you know what happens.
Another negative about dressing provocatively is that it tends to objectify women and that's not the high road. You know, back in the 70's and 80's, women worked very hard for equality and to be taken seriously. Women who prance around looking sexy are pretty much undoing everything that these women tried to do for equality back in the 70's and 80's. And don't use the rationalization that it empowers women to flaunt their sex appeal because that's not true. It objectifies women, it doesn't empower them. You have it all backwards. It's amazing how women feed themselves so many lies.
It's a real shame because these provocative women have caused men in the dating scene to not even bother with modest women anymore. Men have developed unrealistic expectations about what a real love relationship is all about. They think it's all about how hot a woman looks or how great the chemistry and sex is. The real true love relationships of long ago, when women had dignity and morals, is long gone. Men expect women to put out on the 1st (or by the 3rd at least) date and they expect women to look sexy all of the time and be totally hot. If a woman has more morals and values and doesn't want to objectify herself like this and wants someone to love her for who she is and not how hot looking she is, she is not going to find that in today's world.
Women are on the wrong path and it is very sad to see.
so much wrong with this post. it isn't up to women to set the "tone" for how men act. men. like women need to take responsibility for their own actions. if a woman wearing a short skirt can "make a man commit adultery" I would say that man would of committed adultery no matter what. a short skirt on a woman can make a man go home and be disappointed in his own spouse. that kind of husband would find disappointment in any woman if he is that shallow. are you suggesting a man shouldn't work with females because he can get tempted? what is wrong with a man being responsible to live his life like a decent married man? that is up to him, his morals not some woman he might see on the street in a short skirt. how do all the other men lead a life being faithful to their wives and these other men can't. you give man no credit for being intelligent nor sensible for their own actions. men do have brains and can control their actions.
as to objectification, if a woman wants to be sexy and dress provocatively it is her choice. to say that modestly dressed women don't get attention is absurd. most women do not dress provocatively everyday and some not at all, they manage to find love. which sex has a more unrealistic ideal about love, if any sex does it is more likely women. we are the ones who have romantic movies and books aimed towards us. men in general do not seek out literature and movies with happy ever efter, they seek out movies and books like fast and furious. not all men expect sex on the first date. if they do and so does the woman that is up to them. if a man wants sex on the first date and the woman doesn't he can either wait til she is ready or find a new date. easy. it isn't a woman's fault for a man's expectation for when HE wants to have sex. a woman leads her life according to her morals and values, if feels it is ok to wear a sexy outfit here and there doesn't mean she won't find a mate who will not love her for herself but only her body.
They should dress as they wish.
If they want to look old and frumpy, fine, or young and frumpy, fine.
If they want to look old and sexy, fine, or young and sexy, fine.
They might get stared at or bring attention to themselves, but if they aren't hurting anyone, WHO CARES?
They should dress as they wish.
If they want to look old and frumpy, fine, or young and frumpy, fine.
If they want to look old and sexy, fine, or young and sexy, fine.
They might get stared at or bring attention to themselves, but if they aren't hurting anyone, WHO CARES?
They do. They're concerned with the comments they get when they dress provocatively. And they feel harassed and antagonized by men hitting on them. So obviously they themselves are the ones who cares.
And how do you propose doing this? by making it illegal?
Most of us are not blaming the victim. We're just offering ways on how not to become one.
Saying that a woman should dress a certain way so that men don't make inappropriate comments IS blaming the victim. Blame the men who make the comments. Keep blaming them, and teach your sons not to do this and your daughters that they don't have to put up with it. Not by having to limit what they wear but by pushing back and saying that it's wrong.
It's so sad to me that so many people posting here seem to think it's ok for men to say these things because the women didn't cover themselves up enough.
They do. They're concerned with the comments they get when they dress provocatively. And they feel harassed and antagonized by men hitting on them. So obviously they themselves are the ones who cares.
But as has been mentioned a billion times, women get comments when they're not dressed even remotely provocatively. What is a woman who hears, "I bet you look sexy under that raincoat!" supposed to do? Cover herself up more? And why is the guy who says things like that get a pass? Why does he get to walk the city thinking that women care about what he thinks, and women just have to smile and accept commentary on her body because it's meant as a compliment?
Saying that a woman should dress a certain way so that men don't make inappropriate comments IS blaming the victim. Blame the men who make the comments. Keep blaming them, and teach your sons not to do this and your daughters that they don't have to put up with it. Not by having to limit what they wear but by pushing back and saying that it's wrong.
It's so sad to me that so many people posting here seem to think it's ok for men to say these things because the women didn't cover themselves up enough.
Where did I ever say it was okay for them to do it? It's not. But you can't make them not make the comments. All you can do is dress more conservatively to avoid them. If you don't want to then that's finebut jus know that there will be some unwanted attention.
But as has been mentioned a billion times, women get comments when they're not dressed even remotely provocatively. What is a woman who hears, "I bet you look sexy under that raincoat!" supposed to do? Cover herself up more? And why is the guy who says things like that get a pass? Why does he get to walk the city thinking that women care about what he thinks, and women just have to smile and accept commentary on her body because it's meant as a compliment?
let's be real. The more conservative you dress, the less time you have to worry about the unwanted attention. Besides the OP was about women who didn't dress conservatively. Not those that do.
let's be real. The more conservative you dress, the less time you have to worry about the unwanted attention. Besides the OP was about women who didn't dress conservatively. Not those that do.
But what the women in the thread are trying to say is that it's not true. Every woman has a story about getting unwanted attention or rude comments Moderator cut: not allowed in Great Debates, and it happened regardless of what we were wearing. It's not just these straw-women going out in short, tight things that are dealing with this.
But what the women in the thread are trying to say is that it's not true. Every woman has a story about getting unwanted attention or rude comments, and it happened regardless of what we were wearing. It's not just these straw-women going out in short, tight things that are dealing with this.
But this thread is not talking about that. We know that some men will make inappropriate comments regardless of what they have on. But we're talking about those that get the attention about their provocative dress. And again we also know that dressing conservative doesn't eliminate the comments but significantly decreases them. Just going through my friends list on Facebook. Whenever women on my friends list dress conservative and take pics they receive classy comments. When they dress as what some would call "trashy" they get trashy comments as well and some get upset by it. Others welcome it because apparently that was the attention they were looking for.
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