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We would not be worse off. Our support of Israel has garnered us many enemies around the world and fueled Islamic fundamentalists to target us. The September 11th attacks were in part because of our support for Israel. I mean you keep talking about how much it would hurt the US, your threats are meaningless, when we are dealing with a country that has a GDP around that of the Philippines. LOL The US did not even support the creation of Israel, it was a British thing. I assume like many of their decisions around this time to create conflict so they could maintain relevance.
We cannot gear our foreign policy to the whims of psychotics and fanatics. And your contention that the creation of Israel was a "British Thing" is laughable. They abstained froom the U.N. vote creating the 1947 partition. True, the U.S. didn't support Israel until 11 minutes after Ben Gurion announced independence and the name of the State.
But there is nothing wrong with the West supporting Westerners, especially from the group where it helped gas, work todeath or shoot 6,000,000 of.
We cannot gear our foreign policy to the whims of psychotics and fanatics. And your contention that the creation of Israel was a "British Thing" is laughable. They abstained froom the U.N. vote creating the 1947 partition. True, the U.S. didn't support Israel until 11 minutes after Ben Gurion announced independence and the name of the State.
"Theresa May has said that Britain is “proud of our pioneering role in the creation of the state of Israel” at a gala dinner in London to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Balfour declaration."
"British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour submits a declaration of intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The British government hoped that the formal declaration would help garner Jewish support for the Allied effort in World War I. The Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was approved by the League of Nations in 1922. Arabs opposed the Balfour Declaration, fearing that the creation of a Jewish homeland would mean the subjugation of Arab Palestinians.After World War I, the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically, as did Jewish-Arab violence. Arab resistance and failures to reach a compromise led Britain to delay deciding on the future of Palestine. In the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust, much of the international community took up the Zionist cause, and in 1948 the State of Israel was declared."
We would not be worse off. Our support of Israel has garnered us many enemies around the world and fueled Islamic fundamentalists to target us. The September 11th attacks were in part because of our support for Israel. I mean you keep talking about how much it would hurt the US, your threats are meaningless, when we are dealing with a country that has a GDP around that of the Philippines. LOL The US did not even support the creation of Israel, it was a British thing. I assume like many of their decisions around this time to create conflict so they could maintain relevance.
We would be enemies of this Neanderthal fundamentalism regardless of Israel. It is nonetheless in our interest to support a bulwark state stuck right in the heart of the Middle East that flaunts and displays a Western ethic and orientation. They can't ignore it, it's in their back yard, and the quality and superiority of Western philosophy and societal construction has a chance to seep into and correct the madness, by a process of cultural osmosis. It is in our interest to support that, and Israel is the only country that performs that function.
It is far more important to support Israel than any nearly other country on planet Earth at the moment.
We would be enemies of this Neanderthal fundamentalism regardless of Israel. It is nonetheless in our interest to support a bulwark state stuck right in the heart of the Middle East that flaunts and displays a Western ethic and orientation. They can't ignore it, it's in their back yard, and the quality and superiority of Western philosophy and societal construction has a chance to seep into and correct the madness, by a process of cultural osmosis. It is in our interest to support that, and Israel is the only country that performs that function.
It is far more important to support Israel than any nearly other country on planet Earth at the moment.
A weird comment. Particularly coming from a guy who opposes virtually any domestic action by government and holds what almost anyone would say are extreme libertarian beliefs. You correct me if I am wrong, huh?
Its great when we ship our tax dollars to Israel. Its a crime when we use them to help the poor in our country isn't it? What twisted logic....
We cannot gear our foreign policy to the whims of psychotics and fanatics. And your contention that the creation of Israel was a "British Thing" is laughable. They abstained froom the U.N. vote creating the 1947 partition. True, the U.S. didn't support Israel until 11 minutes after Ben Gurion announced independence and the name of the State.
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Really? I thought your point was that we need to put our interests ahead of the interests in the rest of the world. So you are saying that our policies toward people in other nations don't have consequences, and that among the consequences are things like terrorism...which it seems to me is something that we should not be encouraging. And let's not forget that England saw the colonials as fanatics.
A weird comment. Particularly coming from a guy who opposes virtually any domestic action by government and holds what almost anyone would say are extreme libertarian beliefs. You correct me if I am wrong, huh?
Its great when we ship our tax dollars to Israel. Its a crime when we use them to help the poor in our country isn't it? What twisted logic....
Actually I do favor elimination of all foreign aid in the abstract and in an ideal world. But we don't live in that world yet, and WHILE WE HAVE FOREIGN AID, Israel is the best destination for that aid. It serves our interest in a world of Neanderthal primitive mysticism.
As for our poor people, that is an individual problem to be solved by the person facing the lack of income or wealth. Being poor is a choice for the vast majority of those who are poor. Yes, we have the anecdotal crippled blind deaf intersex cancer victim, and we should be happy to help those very few with extreme bad luck. But the majority of people who are broke MAKE BAD DECISIONS THAT LEAVE THEM BROKE. They need to make better decisions, not victimize those around them by taking their money using the state as a proxy thug.
We would be enemies of this Neanderthal fundamentalism regardless of Israel. It is nonetheless in our interest to support a bulwark state stuck right in the heart of the Middle East that flaunts and displays a Western ethic and orientation. They can't ignore it, it's in their back yard, and the quality and superiority of Western philosophy and societal construction has a chance to seep into and correct the madness, by a process of cultural osmosis. It is in our interest to support that, and Israel is the only country that performs that function.
It is far more important to support Israel than any nearly other country on planet Earth at the moment.
Israel alienates, not "shows them the light". A lot of Middle Eastern news goes something like this "Here you see Israeli Soldiers using US helicopters assault and kill these children."
I mean it has been 50 years? Nothing has changed and I think at least some of that is because we pay them for it happening so they have no reason to make peace.
Israel alienates, not "shows them the light". A lot of Middle Eastern news goes something like this "Here you see Israeli Soldiers using US helicopters assault and kill these children."
I mean it has been 50 years? Nothing has changed and I think at least some of that is because we pay them for it happening so they have no reason to make peace.
BS. One group has a stated specific doctrine and goal of wiping out the other group as an intregral part of their backward religion. That would be the Palestinians. And they try to do that every so often. Which causes what is almost always a measured response. I say measured, because if Israel wanted to, they could wipe out the Palestinians existentially in a matter of hours. What do they do instead? Give them insane amount of aid to basically pay them off.
If this is not "showing them the light", then there is no such thing as light.
Here's an objective little hint: The side that is NOT EXPLICITLY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY AND HATEFULLY COMMITTED IN WRITING AND DOCTRINE to destroying the other is the RIGHT SIDE.
And it is in our interest to provide aid to the RIGHT SIDE of this conflict.
And IT WILL, by osmosis, over time, educate those in the darkness.
Theresa May can say a lot of things. That's not what happened.
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Originally Posted by Old Guard
"British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour submits a declaration of intent to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The British government hoped that the formal declaration would help garner Jewish support for the Allied effort in World War I. The Balfour Declaration was included in the British mandate over Palestine, which was approved by the League of Nations in 1922. Arabs opposed the Balfour Declaration, fearing that the creation of a Jewish homeland would mean the subjugation of Arab Palestinians.After World War I, the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically, as did Jewish-Arab violence. Arab resistance and failures to reach a compromise led Britain to delay deciding on the future of Palestine. In the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust, much of the international community took up the Zionist cause, and in 1948 the State of Israel was declared."
And IT WILL, by osmosis, over time, educate those in the darkness.
What do you base this on?
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