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Old 08-14-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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I don't believe for a second that Bush had anything to do with it. There is a long standing US policy and nothing and no one can stand in it's way. The US has always looked for or created justification for invasion. The Pentagon doesn't change hands with each administration.


Anything the US does impacts the entire world - forever. I seriously doubt that the real powers that be would give the ability to change world history to a playboy from Arkansas, a silver spoon baby from Crawford or a community organizer from Chicago. War making is beyond their pay grade. They do what they are told, read the speeches that are written for them, sign the papers they are told to.



What I believe is that the US built the largest embassy in the world in Baghdad to oversee the semi-colonizination of the entire middle east, with puppet governments in each country. All the overthrows and Arab Springs orchestrated by the US are/were preparation for that.
Tin foil stuff there. A long way from "do/should we put troops on a pedestal?"


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It can be discussed, but I don't think i can discuss it with YOU. I don't want to waste my time.
I think people see what they want to see and only want to see what to them confirms what they already wanted to believe in the first place. I would dismiss this as unique to the internet but sadly it seems to be the norm out in the real world too, with just one example being university students staging protests to ban speakers they don't like from giving lectures on campus, etc. People will continue to frame the narrative by their own perceptions and refuse to consider that anyone with a differing idea may actually have merit. Or in the least case deserves to be heard.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Tin foil stuff there. A long way from "do/should we put troops on a pedestal?"




I think people see what they want to see and only want to see what to them confirms what they already wanted to believe in the first place. I would dismiss this as unique to the internet but sadly it seems to be the norm out in the real world too, with just one example being university students staging protests to ban speakers they don't like from giving lectures on campus, etc. People will continue to frame the narrative by their own perceptions and refuse to consider that anyone with a differing idea may actually have merit. Or in the least case deserves to be heard.
Yes, I agree.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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I am only saying

Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq following 911 attack. 72%

After the World Trade center was hit, no one had a clue as to who even did it. Even years later you'll find people who say Sadaam Hussein had something to do with it.


Actually, looking at some of the video footage immediately following 9/11 I noticed a professionally lettered banner that said 'Mr. Bush, invade Afghanistan Tonight". This was before anyone had a clue about what was going on, so how did some angry Joe citizen spontaneously come up with THAT?


If 72% supported the Iraq invasion, it was in the immediate turmoil following the attack. The entire drumbeat of every news broadcast was for revenge against something or someone.I bet you wouldn't find 20% today, now that people's eyes are a little more open.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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It can be discussed, but I don't think i can discuss it with YOU. I don't want to waste my time.

You said that yesterday when you left the thread
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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You said that yesterday when you left the thread
well, I changed my mind. I am allowed to change my mind, right?
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If 72% supported the Iraq invasion, it was in the immediate turmoil following the attack. The entire drumbeat of every news broadcast was for revenge against something or someone.I bet you wouldn't find 20% today, now that people's eyes are a little more open.
well, then many people joined the military immediately after 911 attack. Many veterans dont agree with the war, TODAY.

should they be blamed for their "choices"? Punishing people by using perfect hindsight seems unfair. No?
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don’t play the “whites and browns” games. People are people the world over. You should look inward to combat your own obsession with race. It’s a strange but all too common obsession.
I simply responded to one of your posts. And what have you got...nothing.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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What exactly should I "have"?

I refuse to legitimize modern hyper-racialism. If that's your game, you're 100% right: I have nothing. I lack the mindset required to inject race into every aspect of our lives.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What exactly should I "have"?

I refuse to legitimize modern hyper-racialism. If that's your game, you're 100% right: I have nothing. I lack the mindset required to inject race into every aspect of our lives.
A poster commented about the military fighting primarily "brown-skinned" populations.

It appeared you disagreed.

And yet, when shown the list of combat operations since WWII, the other poster was right. Or gee...maybe it's just an overwhelming coincidence.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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A poster commented about the military fighting primarily "brown-skinned" populations.

It appeared you disagreed.

And yet, when shown the list of combat operations since WWII, the other poster was right. Or gee...maybe it's just an overwhelming coincidence.
or maybe because only 30% of the world population is white...………...
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