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Old 10-24-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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So you called conservatives as a group, foolish, scared, old and racist - talk about stereotyping and attempting to marginalize a point of view. You have a very weak argument if you have to resort to name calling. As far as big money donations, as much or more went to Dems as went to Reps - https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2018.
And the Democrats are the ones who want to end big money donations and get Corporations who the majority on Republicans in the Supreme Court said are people, to get out of our Government.
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Many people vote against themselves, without realizing it. It's ignorance.
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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I m not for the left or against corporations. Look at the healthcare, housing, daycare, and bank credit card interest rates. They only go up. People cannot pay the bills and borrow endlessly to keep up not with the jones'es but with themselves.

The middle to lower middle class conservatives understood this. Thats why they voted for trump knowing that thier wages and livelihood are at stake because of cheap labor from the south. Upeer and educated conservatives with decent incomes will eventually face it because of rise of indians and chinese tapping into tjier jobs. ( search for pittsflyee, bos2iad, bigdgeek s posts).

Dave ramsey says wages are not stagnant, but you are stagnant. True, but it takes extreme dedication to come out of stagnation.
Why would anyone in favor of healthcare, housing or daycare or credit card debt think Trump cares one lick about them. He only cares about himself and his rich friend to lower their tax rates and make them richer. He's a smooth talker sometimes but it's all lies.
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Old 10-24-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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There are >100m people using private insurance. Private insurance is on average expensive but care and coverage is good. Offering from Warren/Sanders for such people is to downgrade to Medicare kind of setup.

Sure majority of people can be happy with Medicare, but those having private insurance it is a downgrade.

I used to live in Scandinavia and while setup is ok for the most, US private insurance is much better while costing lot. No need to queue, tests are comprehensive without begging (my parents needed 3 visits before taken seriously to get needed test to detect skin cancer). Average wait time for dentist is >8months for checkup, couple of days for urgent need.

So reason is mainly that people having good insurance do not want to downgrade.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:23 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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I hope the karma of being against universal healthcare does not trouble your family and friends when they are refused care and die.
I have built up a reserve of karma offset credits. We provide for our own.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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They forget that Jesus was a Liberal who said love the sinner and greed is a sin and the rich and greedy will not get into heaven and help the poor and those in need.
Interesting out of context quotes there. Everything Jesus preached was about individuals making a personal transformation in their own lives, and voluntarily giving of their own resources to help others. It was never, ever, about using the power of the state to force other people to behave in a certain way. In fact, I would suggest that using the power of the state to take things from other people explicitly violates some pretty clear Biblical directives.

It's also interesting that you point to the out-of-control costs of sick care in the US and think that more government involvement is the issue, given that sick care is one of the most heavily regulated and government-controlled industries in existence.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Interesting out of context quotes there. Everything Jesus preached was about individuals making a personal transformation in their own lives, and voluntarily giving of their own resources to help others. It was never, ever, about using the power of the state to force other people to behave in a certain way. In fact, I would suggest that using the power of the state to take things from other people explicitly violates some pretty clear Biblical directives.

It's also interesting that you point to the out-of-control costs of sick care in the US and think that more government involvement is the issue, given that sick care is one of the most heavily regulated and government-controlled industries in existence.
1. The cleansing of the Temple narrative tells of Jesus expelling the merchants and the money changers from the Temple, and occurs in all four canonical gospels of the New Testament. The scene is a common motif in Christian art.

In this account, Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where Jesus expels the merchants and money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning the Temple into "a den of thieves" through their commercial activities.[1][2]

1A There were different times when Governments were different and they allowed people to be crucified so you can't say that Jesus would be preaching the gospel of Prosperity and fight for the rich rather than the needy.

2. The out of control costs are the for profit insurance companies who add a profit to every service and deny needed services to keep that profit margin or raise rates. Also hospitals being able to charge whatever they want $1K one month and $20K a few months later for the same procedure would end under Universal Healthcare.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:41 PM
 
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They get there on purpose because big business won't pay them a living wage.
Ha they aren't paid a living wage because their skills dont merit it. They get there because or poor choices. Ironically a govt mandated living wage is still mooching it just bypasses the govt confiscation part.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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Ha they aren't paid a living wage because their skills dont merit it. They get there because or poor choices. Ironically a govt mandated living wage is still mooching it just bypasses the govt confiscation part.
So being born white to rich parents is a wise choice and being born poor and black in the inner city to a single parent family is a poor choice?

I don't like blaming others for how they live their lives when I haven't walked one step in their shoes. You must feel happy thinking you are so perfect and better than others.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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So being born white to rich parents is a wise choice and being born poor and black in the inner city to a single parent family is a poor choice?
Completely false dichotomy. You are framing the debate in a binary fashion that is intentionally dishonest. Plenty of people out there who started off poor and have made a better life for themselves. I am one of them
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