Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Or farmers don't want to pay an honest enough wage for. You forgot that excuse for American workers.
Average hourly wage for field hand is $17.50/hour, higher than minimum wage anywhere in the US. In some states, it's twice minimum wage. What is your definition of "honest?" The reason Anglos won't do the work is that they can't sit on their asses, and there is no AC.
And a unicorn is a mythical beast with a horn growing out of the middle of its head. You can define a fiction all you want, but that doesn't make it real.
You are advocating a universal income. There is an awkward pause in the middle where you put basic, but you want to ignore that part of the phrase. A Universal Basic Income is not a Universal Income. Pretending otherwise is a straw man argument.
Average hourly wage for field hand is $17.50/hour, higher than minimum wage anywhere in the US. In some states, it's twice minimum wage. What is your definition of "honest?" The reason Anglos won't do the work is that they can't sit on their asses, and there is no AC.
Not all Anglos are federal civilians.
But to the other guy's point.... he doesn't have one. The wages are in fact better, in many cases, than what those Anglos are getting sitting in the A/C. That's why so many Anglos are always poor mouthing on behalf of the Democrat party.
That's just a horse of a different color. A UBI would be funded in the same exact way that welfare, SNAP, subsidized housing, and WIC are funded (i.e., taxes). Additionally, bureaucrats will be needed to administer UBI. So....what exactly would be different?
Run it through the IRS. You file your taxes. Below the line you get a refund to make up the difference, above the line you don't. Administration by computer. No more SSDI, no more EITC, and a dozen other welfare programs that haven't even been mentioned.
Exactly right. You don't see anyone around today whose resume says, "master cotton gin operator." That person, if he existed in 2020, would be poor and starving.
<sigh> Cotton is still a major US crop, and all of it needs to be ginned. A "master operator" would generally be known as a millwright, and have an income well into 6 figures.
What is your reason why you do or do not like UBI? If not, how do you fix unemployment?
You don't fix unemployment by incentivizing people to stay unemployed.
Native American reservations would be the only example of UBI being tried in the USA and clearly it does not work. You end up with more addiction issues, more crime and take away motivation to better one self. As many have mentioned creating a UBI at $1,000 a month or $2,000, whatever the amount would become the new zero since everything would get much more expensive. Before you know it everyone will be a millionaire and broke at the same time.
My idea, and I actually thought about it back after 2008 is to give 100% job credit to employers. Say a company hires one person, they can hire a 2nd person and the government gives pays for that person for a year or whatever length of time makes sense. That person then is paying taxes, being productive and the company can get more work done without taxing its more limited cash flow. Limit this to smaller businesses not publicly traded companies. If you are going to hand out money have a job tied to it. Allow state and local governments to tap into this also.
UBI is more or less welfare. You get paid to be idle all day. I've known lots of relatively able bodied people on disability, food stamps, subsidized housing grow fat, idle and entitled. It's really not a healthy or natural state of being. So if widespread UBI were in place I feel like we may see more of this mediocre behavior.
UBI would also likely mean that taxes would have to be higher to fund it.
Do the math. Lets say everyone in country A gets a 1000 basic income. Lets say there are 1 million people in that country. How much would it cost per year to give all the individuals above the age of say... 18... a 1000 per month check? Let's say that's 50 percent of the population.
Answer: (500,000 x 1000) x 12 = 500,000,000 x 12 = 6 billion dollars a year.
How much would you have to tax all the 18+ individuals in order to pay that much? Let's pretend that everybody pays an equal amount in taxes on UBI. Even though... that would be a ridiculous notion.... even in a so-called communist country where everybody mythically gets paid the same amount of money by the state.
Answer: 6 billion divided by 500,000 taxpayers = 12,000 in taxes per year per each individual. Which miraculously is the EXACT same amount they get in UBI.
Now.... add in all the OTHER tax revenues that this natione would be having to pay and I bet you the tax burden would be WAY OVER most people's income. Free everything. House, food, utilities, medical care, education. Figure how much a first world country with roughly 1 million people spends per year on all that stuff.... and then add in 6 billion dollars a year... and subtract... and you'll have a close approximation.
120 percent at least..... because at least 50 percent (250,000) of those UBI recipients would NOT be doing much above the mean average income of the country... in other words... living on the check and black market activities exclusively. And not because they're lazy. But because there would be NO INCENTIVE in such an economy for the vast majority of people to maximize their earnings by legal means.... BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS FREE and market activity is only PUNISHED by higher taxes. Why higher taxes?
Because the remaining 250K UBI recipients who make the highest incomes would have to be taxed at 90+ percentages in order to make up the budget shortfalls every year. And most of them would be looking for ways to flee the nation... unless they were in the ruling power structure.
The math WILL NOT work, and so the government would be REQUIRED to either print money or use force to steal from other countries, or both, in order to prevent a revolution.
In the meantime, they would have to adopt draconian policies, like mass starvation of the population, in order to keep the number of benefit recipients in check. But starving tax-payers doesn't work for more than one year at a time without a major punch to the stomach of the regime. So you can really only get away with it once every 10 years or so... IF.... you have an adequate repression infrastructure.
Math doesn't work for collectivists, especially when they are Marxists ones who believe in abolishing profit.
Without profit, there is no tax base. Without a tax base, there is no UBI.
Do the math. Lets say everyone in country A gets a 1000 basic income. Lets say there are 1 million people in that country. How much would it cost per year to give all the individuals above the age of say... 18... a 1000 per month check? Let's say that's 50 percent of the population.
Answer: (500,000 x 1000) x 12 = 500,000,000 x 12 = 6 billion dollars a year.
How much would you have to tax all the 18+ individuals in order to pay that much? Let's pretend that everybody pays an equal amount in taxes on UBI. Even though... that would be a ridiculous notion.... even in a so-called communist country where everybody mythically gets paid the same amount of money by the state.
Answer: 6 billion divided by 500,000 taxpayers = 12,000 in taxes per year per each individual. Which miraculously is the EXACT same amount they get in UBI.
But we know that is not what they indend. It's a wealth redistribution scheme because the funding required would be generated on those earning over $50k or so and redistributed to everyone.
Edit: occasionally you hear about stock robots and this I feel will hurt employees. Unless you talk shopping help, I think stocking robots will be used a lot to move items. We see this with drone couriers for medicine or blood tests in this current situation. I highly doubt we'll let the genie back in the bottle.
You don't hear about them because companies keep them secret. I know a guy who was building official in Lebanon, Oregon when they built a Walmart distribution warehouse. One 5 acre building, completely automated. They built it around 2009. The genie has been running things for quite a while now.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
