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Apparently, we can't decide how to define marriage, men or women. Pretty silly people.
Actually 99.99% of humanity has it pretty well defined. The problem lies with that small minority who can't seem to recognize the obvious answer when looking at themselves as they get out of the shower. And another problem is with those who validate this confusion as "normal" and expect everyone else to also.
My solution? Let 'em hold it until they get home and use the bathroom there.
A little bit of thread necromancy, but I decided to stop lurking and post something.
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Originally Posted by Chatteress
Should we bend our laws to accommodate a small group of folks who would feel "uncomfortable" using a restroom with folks of their same gender? What about the majority of folks who would find it uncomfortable having a person of the opposite gender sharing their restroom?
Well, that's the problem isn't it?
Not all transsexual women are built like linebackers, and look like a man in a dress.
So, tell me - from the picture - which bathroom do you think will cause less discomfort? For others, and for the individual in question?
Also, please understand that for the Male to Female transsexual, it is chemical castration. Testosterone produces sexual drives in both men and women - in many cases, the testosterone are lower than those in natal females. Hardly "male infiltrators out to rape our [women/children]".
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I agree totally with other posters in here: If you have a weenie you use the mens room, if not, you use the womens room. PERIOD. Just because someone has a mental disorder & they are convinced they are of the opposite sex is no reason to promote indecency in public restrooms. It is laughable that a bill like this is being considered. I'm not old fashioned (I'm 30), I just have common sense and use rational thought.
Perhaps you should use that rational thought some more.
I am friends with a Female to Male transsexual. He was always rather butch, and got sirred while (in a move I will never understand) 8 months pregnant.
After a few months on Testosterone (it's fast) - his voice dropped, he built a lot of muscle up. If he were to go to the Women's room, the cops would end up called.
Likewise, if a Male to Female transsexual is not easily discernable as such, anyone in the Men's room would be seeing only a woman. I would think that would get rather awkward.
I'm going to assume that you aren't staring at other people's privates when you go to the bathroom - why would a part you can't see, and isn't always distinguishable anyway (intersex, which is way more common than you think) - make any difference.
Someone who is visibly male, regardless of the existence of a penis (or lack thereof) is going to make people uncomfortable in the women's room. This holds true whether a FTM transsexual, a post-op MTF transsexual, or someone who is physically intersexed, or with severe hormonal issues.
I think it would be best for transgendered people to just go in whichever room they identify themselves with and use a bathroom with a closed door. If you look like a girl, but you have a penis, men might be uncomfortable if they were next to you at the urinal. Go to the ladies room and just make sure you lock the door. If you look like a boy, but you have a vagina, same thing, go to the mens room and lock the door because women might be uncomfortable seeing what appears to be man walking in. Is that legal? I suppose then you get into 'well who gets to decide what sex a person looks like,' I would say maybe just ask some people you are close to for an honest answer.
Just wait until some politician in the back pocket of a lawyer's lobby group introduces legislation requiring any business serving the public to maintain three bathrooms--male, female and transgender. The day that bill is introduced to Congress will be the day this has gone too far.
Just wait until some politician in the back pocket of a lawyer's lobby group introduces legislation requiring any business serving the public to maintain three bathrooms--male, female and transgender. The day that bill is introduced to Congress will be the day this has gone too far.
yea, no way, that would be terrible. I think that might lead to transgendered people feeling alienated, we need to help transgendered people have a sense of, 'OK you are A or B,' I know we have a patient at work who is going through a switch and we've tried to be good about addressing them properly, they seemed to be pretty understanding about a slip up once though, didn't say anything so that was good. I mean, it can be hard for other people to get use to that, especially when they are pretty feminine or masculine looking and they are going to the other one
I think it would be best for transgendered people to just go in whichever room they identify themselves with and use a bathroom with a closed door. If you look like a girl, but you have a penis, men might be uncomfortable if they were next to you at the urinal. Go to the ladies room and just make sure you lock the door. If you look like a boy, but you have a vagina, same thing, go to the mens room and lock the door because women might be uncomfortable seeing what appears to be man walking in. Is that legal? I suppose then you get into 'well who gets to decide what sex a person looks like,' I would say maybe just ask some people you are close to for an honest answer.
Makes sense to me. Women's stalls all have doors, and I doubt a TG person dressed as a woman is going to want to whip it out at a urinal anyway. Just use a stall.
Yes I know, my point is that its ludicrous to claim that genes are the sole determining factor as to weather you're male or female. Anyone with any medical training will know that XX = girl XY = boy isn't always true.
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