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Blacks aren't exactly an Asians idea of being good looking. Traditionally, dark skinned Asians were perceived more as lower class citizens in their home countries as the darker skin was due to being exposed to the sun while laboring as peasant workers. Meanwhile, they revered those who were smart, intellectual and with academic credentials, and those with high education naturally had paler skin from hours of study and writing indoors. Historically, even before Asians (Chinese and Japanese) ever interacted with whites, having pale skin was deserved by them.
Black culture is also more outgoing and louder than Asian culture. Asians are known for being polite, quiet and even submissive. Blacks are not. And culturally, Asians are more formal and with a stricter moral code about sex.
Asians are generally more petite in build than blacks. The Asians born and raised in the US are taller and heavier due to the American diet that is heavy on meats and dairy products. Blacks seem more proud of their physical prowess (and they do excel in professional sports) and their sexuality. You don't see many Asians in sports, definitely not in football. While I had one Asian friend that loved playing basketball, 30 years ago, he was the only Asian in the city's basketball league. And it broke his heart that he wasn't tall enough to pursue his sport further.
Anyway, I know that there are a good number of non-Asians that aren't physically attracted to Asians.... it's no big deal and it doesn't bother us. We aren't looking for that sort of validation from non-Asians. In terms of living in the US, our only desire is to have equal access to nice places to live, good jobs and a better quality of life than in the home country aka to live the "American Dream" but that doesn't include interracial love. If it happens, it happens, but being able to date and marry interracially is not very high on our list of wants.
Even talking with my Asian guy friends who are in their late 20's, while they may admire the usual hot looking actresses and female celebrities, and even date an occasional non-Asian woman, when they talk about future marriage and kids stuff, they only plan to marry an Asian woman of their own nationality, even if they haven't met her yet. I don't consider that being racist. They just have a strong sense of wanting to preserve their family traditions. But there is never any talk of Asians being superior or some other race being inferior. And if part of this desire is wanting sons that look exactly like them, what is wrong with that?
um, neither are asians usually considered good-looking to blacks or whites. some do care but i don't, but i digress. lol
um, have you been to asia lately? the younger generation are tall or of average height even by western standards and they still eat a majority asian diet. they have their own culture going on there which is a positive step in the right direction. since asian identity was so steeped in just duty and nationalism, the more personal aspects of identity were lacking and looking toward western idols filled that void. now, they have thier own. good for them.
um, have you been to asia lately? the younger generation are tall or of average height even by western standards and they still eat a majority asian diet. they have their own culture going on there which is a positive step in the right direction. since asian identity was so steeped in just duty and nationalism, the more personal aspects of identity were lacking and looking toward western idols filled that void. now, they have thier own. good for them.
No I haven't. But I'm not surprised since there are KFC and McDonald's over there now. I think that the Asian teens and young adults are more influenced by Western foods than the older adults. The healthiest Japanese are the ones living in the remote fishing villages on those tiny islands. The Japanese in the major cities love their Kobe beef which comes from cattle that are raised to be fat with well marbled flesh.
Well the mainland Chinese government is pushing strongly to take over Taiwan and nationalism is why they occupy Tibet. The Japanese are very proud of their heritage. They designate their elder artisans as "national treasures". Nationalism is very strong with the Chinese and Japanese. The Koreans are much the same way.
In reality, what is the percentage of black men that are highly successful. Not a lot of choice here.
That isn't the point. Whites who happen to be with Asians aren't all highly successful, are they? In fact, according to a study done focusing on racial prefences in a series of speed dating experiments a couple of years ago, a white man could earn substantially less than a black man but still be considered equally viable as a mate.
No I haven't. But I'm not surprised since there are KFC and McDonald's over there now. I think that the Asian teens and young adults are more influenced by Western foods than the older adults. The healthiest Japanese are the ones living in the remote fishing villages on those tiny islands. The Japanese in the major cities love their Kobe beef which comes from cattle that are raised to be fat with well marbled flesh.
Well the mainland Chinese government is pushing strongly to take over Taiwan and nationalism is why they occupy Tibet. The Japanese are very proud of their heritage. They designate their elder artisans as "national treasures". Nationalism is very strong with the Chinese and Japanese. The Koreans are much the same way.
no, no, no. those asians eat at kfc and mcdonalds like treats not in everyday. for example, both my aunt and uncle are tall but they did not grow up eating western food. they did eat a lot of meat and various asian dishes and they were well to do. the reason why asians or commoners which were the majority were so short is because they usually only had rice and maybe fish, meat was only for the rich. that's why asian royalty was always taller than the peasants too. remember you mentioned the upperclass and their lighter skin, well, they were taller too. now, those foods are available to the masses and that is why asians are not as short as before or are steadily getting taller. for instance, a korean meal of beef or pork is common today. even fifty years ago, hardly ever unless you were rich. but times change and in today's world that doesn't require such physical manual labor as in yesteryears, you don't need so much calories unless your particular job or hobbies call for it.
That isn't the point. Whites who happen to be with Asians aren't all highly successful, are they? In fact, according to a study done focusing on racial prefences in a series of speed dating experiments a couple of years ago, a white man could earn substantially less than a black man but still be considered equally viable as a mate.
and this goes back to stereotypes or again, the perceived 'in' group or those who have power.
as for these women, that means they are stupid. well, stupid is as stupid does.
but there are other types of perceptions regarding other races. white women would rather marry or date a white, black or hispanic man before an asian and an asian man must make way more than a white, hispanic or black man to gain her interest.
then, there are just people who have their own personal preferences for whatever reason.
Blacks aren't exactly an Asians idea of being good looking. Traditionally, dark skinned Asians were perceived more as lower class citizens in their home countries as the darker skin was due to being exposed to the sun while laboring as peasant workers. Meanwhile, they revered those who were smart, intellectual and with academic credentials, and those with high education naturally had paler skin from hours of study and writing indoors. Historically, even before Asians (Chinese and Japanese) ever interacted with whites, having pale skin was deserved by them.
So in traditional Asian culture, one's skin color dictates his personhood. Pale skin = good work ethic and intelligence, while dark skin = shiftless, uneducated peasant class? Gee I thought post-Reconstruction American Southern racial ideology was unenlightened and regressive.
So in traditional Asian culture, one's skin color dictates his personhood. Pale skin = good work ethic and intelligence, while dark skin = shiftless, uneducated peasant class? Gee I thought post-Reconstruction American Southern racial ideology was unenlightened and regressive.
Wait a minute, why are you just responding to him/her when i posted that other races also have thier own hypocritical criteria or perceptions of others? do you want to ignore that it's not just about the skin color but the aspect of power and influence. um, most black women will not date asian men or find them attractive, duh. are we to slam them for it?
if blacks had the power and influence of whites, say hypothetically switched, the light color of whites would not have mattered. it is just something that is perceived as important but is not the real underlying motivation for these trends even if it's unconscious. and the only reason for lighter skin as being considered of upperclass is because upperclass usually were lighter due to less manual labor outdoors in the elements. those upperclass had more power and money etc. and people strive for that consciously or not.
it's just that whites have had more power and influence and so are perceived to have more money and success. and of course, just like anyone else, not all of them are intelligent, successful or good.
since you think it's just asians who are hypocritical about color or race, i don't see how an asian would want to date someone like you whether you were black or not. blacks can be bigots too.
i'll remember to rail against any whites, blacks, or hispanics both male and female who don't want to date asians because, well, they are too 'asian' in looks or whatever for them (sarcasm). i mean, really. that's one thing to defend onself from insults or skewed or erroneous stereotypes but another thing to criticize or judge others for not wanting to date whomever. that's crossing the line. even if you know it's bigoted, why would you want to "make" someone date someone that is not interested. it seems forced and ridiculous.
Most Asians only want to marry Asians of their own nationality. And they want children that look just like them, not mixed ones. It's more about having pride in ones ethnicity.
And of the Asians that marry whites, well first of all, there are a lot more whites than blacks. Blacks are only 12% of the US populations. Then factor in that there aren't enough good husband material black men for the black women... plus that blacks aren't that physically attractive to most Asians.
And I am still amazed that we have these sorts of discussions on the boards. The black community has so many other more important issues to deal with such as getting better education for their kids, solving their higher than average unemployment numbers, and single parent families, so that being able to date interracially should not even be on the list of their gripes. Dating interracially is not a civil right in the sense that you can't guilt trip other races into wanting to date outside their race or physical preferences. You can't go around accusing others of being racist if they aren't interested in being physically intimate with you or any other black person. You can't mandate that every person be required to date at least one person outside their race in order to prove that they aren't racist.
Anyway, if a black man wants to be considered good dating material by an Asian woman, he should be on a good career path so that he can be a good provider for a wife and kids. He shouldn't approach a non-black woman in a smooth talking ladies man fashion. No talk in the beginning about how sexy or fine she looks. He needs to act like a gentleman and to let her know that he dates very selectively. He'd better not have any other girlfriends or baby mommas in his life. He'd better be interested in having a serious monogamous relationship that leads to marriage if all goes well. He also needs to be able to be very polite and well mannered around her family and parents. It's important that her parents approve of him, but that's where his college education and good career path will help win them over. They didn't immigrate to this country and struggle working two menial jobs in order to raise their kids properly and then to let their daughters throw her live away on a bum of any skin colour.
Very powerful statement, and true. Now that the truth has been stated, don't be surprised if the race card gets pulled, due to lack of an argument.
So in traditional Asian culture, one's skin color dictates his personhood. Pale skin = good work ethic and intelligence, while dark skin = shiftless, uneducated peasant class? Gee I thought post-Reconstruction American Southern racial ideology was unenlightened and regressive.
Ummm... actually those stereotypes were true in traditional China. The only reason a Chinese person would be tanned back then is if they were a poor peasant working in the fields. And if someone from a poor background did well in their school studies, they did have the chance for career advancement. And inside desk work was better paying and of course more highly regarded than someone that wasn't good in their school studies and could only be a manual laborer.
Especially for Asian women, staying out of the sun was beneficial for looking young and beautiful longer. And that to them was a good thing.
And if we are talking about stereotypes and perceptions from more than a hundred years ago, then for the Asians, what little they saw of black people was that they lived in tribes dressed half-naked using spears and without a written language. Meanwhile, Europeans whites at that point in time had the most advanced science and technologies, including guns and cannons. They held the international world power, so so were the most respected.
And actually traditional Asians think whites too pale like ghosts. It's not as if they found their white skin immediately more beautiful or handsome.
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