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You are in SOUTH FLORIDA! one of of the most un-american places in all of America. And what i mean is that the common values that the mainland has don't exist there.
I agree with this. I didn't realize the OP was from there until I went back and read the first page of this thread. South Florida (particularly Miami) is NOT a good example of how the rest of the United States is. In fact, Miami itself is probably the least "American" place in the entire country. I agree that people down there completely lack respect, manners, consideration and class. Driving there was a particular nightmare. I seriously wonder how more people aren't killed our injured on the roads as drivers (people) are so reckless. It's a very stressful place to be and not the fun in the sun kind of place people lead you to believe that it is.
You couldn't pay me enough to live in (or anywhere near) Miami. I value my sanity too much for that.
I absolutely agree and have wondered the same thing myself for a long time. It's gotten much worse and people have turned more idiotic, rude, and savage.. just in the past 10 years or so. It's not your imagination! As to why.....? Wish I knew. Well, here's some ideas off the top of my head:
Breakdown of the family (deadbeat dads & moms, or no extended family support network)
Religious values no longer holding the community's morality in place (and yes I'm agnostic, for lack of
a better word)
Many permissive parents & social institutions don't teach basic manners or etiquette anymore,
humility, discipline, or sense of right & wrong
Industrialization=the devaluation of the community, People don't have a strong sense of community
anymore nor do they seem to care about their neighbors (and the way most neighbors are, who'd
want to?)..
Malls/shopping/materialism have taken the place of social groups of the past
The dominance of the automobile (discuss..! or, not.. just my own theory)
The pathetic state of public schools (the American govt has not invested adequately in that in
recent years, but somehow finds a way to spend billions on other things)
Rampant capitalism and total freedom of speech means anyone can put any kind of trash out there
to make money, so young people grow up essentially surrounded by mainstream porn, violence,
self-absorbed instant gratification mentality, and so on...
Not enough funding (and respect!) for law enforcement, so they can do their job which is to keep
citizens safe and keep the scum off the streets. (But even if that were the case, people would
whine and complain even more about the increased police presence and make them out to be the
bad guys.. So you can't win.)
TV, drugs & booze, and now computers.
Oh and let's not forget unhealthy food & other stuff in the environment making people crazy and stupid.
And probably lots of other things.
Nothing is all bad, all good, or black & white. I just think these things have had the most negative impact on American society, and sometimes I don't even recognize my own countrymen (or humanity in general) anymore.
^ i think the people who are rude were usually always that way. people just show what they are. if society permits it, then they do it more openly. if society doesn't, then they do it more behind closed doors by domestic violence and other means.
^ i think the people who are rude were usually always that way. people just show what they are. if society permits it, then they do it more openly. if society doesn't, then they do it more behind closed doors by domestic violence and other means.
Hmm, it's sad, you say it's human nature.
Maybe if there is less pain out there, less pain will be inflicted back on others...
That doesn't seem to make much sense, does it?
Ok, I'll go to sleep now.
I lived in the north of England for a few years and watched my roommate get jumped for being short and red-headed in a club once. I will therefore conclude that all Brits are degenerates.
You're going to get jerks everywhere, even in small European countries. I've never been really harassed in the US, but I know there are jerks here too. Sometimes you encounter them, sometimes you don't.
Breakdown of the family (deadbeat dads & moms, or no extended family support network)
Religious values no longer holding the community's morality in place (and yes I'm agnostic, for lack of
a better word)
Many permissive parents & social institutions don't teach basic manners or etiquette anymore,
humility, discipline, or sense of right & wrong
Industrialization=the devaluation of the community, People don't have a strong sense of community
anymore nor do they seem to care about their neighbors (and the way most neighbors are, who'd
want to?)..
Malls/shopping/materialism have taken the place of social groups of the past
The dominance of the automobile (discuss..! or, not.. just my own theory)
The pathetic state of public schools (the American govt has not invested adequately in that in
recent years, but somehow finds a way to spend billions on other things)
Rampant capitalism and total freedom of speech means anyone can put any kind of trash out there
to make money, so young people grow up essentially surrounded by mainstream porn, violence,
self-absorbed instant gratification mentality, and so on...
Not enough funding (and respect!) for law enforcement, so they can do their job which is to keep
citizens safe and keep the scum off the streets. (But even if that were the case, people would
whine and complain even more about the increased police presence and make them out to be the
bad guys.. So you can't win.)
TV, drugs & booze, and now computers.
Oh and let's not forget unhealthy food & other stuff in the environment making people crazy and stupid.
And probably lots of other things.
Nothing is all bad, all good, or black & white. I just think these things have had the most negative impact on American society, and sometimes I don't even recognize my own countrymen (or humanity in general) anymore.
heh. i grew up in a very religious, churchgoing household but it was abusive behind closed doors. also, they are and were very social people. they had a facade of being good people in public and it was nothing like that behind closed doors. there was no materialism given to children but it was spent on parent's desires and ther was no love or discipline. what they called discipline was just subtle and blatant abuse. i had no rights and was violated totally. it's amazing how night and day it really was and how good they were at their deception. i'm still amazed that people are so fake. they also didn't do drugs or booze yet they were horrible people. i was never loved, given proper guidance but i was preached to all the while i was abused, even sexually. i ended up in counseling and even homeless as i had so much issues to work out. they didn't like others to know i was homeless because it made them look bad but not out of concern for me or anyone else.
it's not just those things you list. it's not just 'permissiveness' or materialism etc. the lies of people and facades people have are many. it's just about good or bad people, period!
I'll give a recent example. I'm walking down a busy road when out of nowhere someone tosses a drink at me. Add to that random people in passerby cars who scream things just for the hell of it. Such behavior would be unthinkable in my home country (by the way I'm from a small European country). I also know bored suburban teenagers who have nothing better to do on weekend nights than to go out and vandalize people's property. Most of them do drugs, which also seems to be the norm in this country. I've never encountered such a high degree of inconsiderate idiocy as I have in this country. What is it about your society that produces such degenerates? I expected Americans to be a civilized people.
Many Americans are civilized but contributing factors toward the mass number of degenerates here are (including but not limited to) :
1. Parents who are apathetic regarding parenting .
2. Parents who have the same mentality so pass it along to their offspring.
3. Parents who dont spend enough time with their kids to teach them right from wrong.
4. Kids who are groomed by our mass media to become disrespectful, inconsiderate, bravado, so as to appear cool.
5. Kids living for the praise of their peers by doing outrageous behaviour including vile language.
6. A societal shift from biblical mandates to post modernism including the top tenet of moral relativism.
7. An attitude of entitle-itis which stems from willful suppresion of ones moral conscience.
8. An attitude of having 'the right' to live / talk / behave as one wishes and using our U.S. Constitution to 'justify' it.
9. An increased propensity of every succeeding generation toward rebellion and a could care less attitude.
10. An ever increasing mentality for total automony at any detrimental expense.
11. TV programs that encourage violence .
12. An ever increasing disdain toward the Creator of the Universe including the teachings of Jesus Christ because they are a fly in ones ointment of living as one likes.
13. Never allowing anyone to have authority over them or importance over them .
14. Cultural philosophies of nihlism .
15. Relentless media encouragement of hedonism and promoting the me, me, me syndrome .
16. Willfuly chosen laziness and apathy .
17. Not much (or no) desire to be set apart from the crowd they run with because the crowd offers them a sense of belonging and (false) worth. IE: Gang involvement.
18 . An engrained hatred and hostile nature because they think the world has done the dirty on them.
19 . Abandonment of a Parent .
20. No Dad around .
21. No Mom around.
22. Extreme resentment due to a tragic incident that occured in their life IE: Abuse, etc...
23. Trying to escape life by engaging in drink or drugs.
24. Sociopathic behavior based on a number of reasons.
25. Not being to find any meaning or purpose to their life.
26. Not wanting to finish living out their life .
27. Not being able to achieve material acquisition in a country that is very materialistic , so they become jealous and get a defeatist attitude.
28. A country that is lacking in moral discipline in all segments of government , federal / state / and local.
29. A country that abandoned 'im my brothers keeper' kind of attitude because being tolerant to others wrongful behaviour (apathy) helps justify their own reprobate minds.
America is only 'the beautiful' now as it pertains to scenic views across the land. I regret you have had poor experiences living in the USA as many others of us have. , but its going to get worse and never better.
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Many Americans are civilized but contributing factors toward the mass number of degenerates here are (including but not limited to) :
1. Parents who are apathetic regarding parenting .
2. Parents who have the same mentality so pass it along to their offspring.
3. Parents who dont spend enough time with their kids to teach them right from wrong.
4. Kids who are groomed by our mass media to become disrespectful, inconsiderate, bravado, so as to appear cool.
5. Kids living for the praise of their peers by doing outrageous behaviour including vile language.
6. A societal shift from biblical mandates to post modernism including the top tenet of moral relativism.
7. An attitude of entitle-itis which stems from willful suppresion of ones moral conscience.
8. An attitude of having 'the right' to live / talk / behave as one wishes and using our U.S. Constitution to 'justify' it.
9. An increased propensity of every succeeding generation toward rebellion and a could care less attitude.
10. An ever increasing mentality for total automony at any detrimental expense.
11. TV programs that encourage violence .
12. An ever increasing disdain toward the Creator of the Universe including the teachings of Jesus Christ because they are a fly in ones ointment of living as one likes.
13. Never allowing anyone to have authority over them or importance over them .
14. Cultural philosophies of nihlism .
15. Relentless media encouragement of hedonism and promoting the me, me, me syndrome .
16. Willfuly chosen laziness and apathy .
17. Not much (or no) desire to be set apart from the crowd they run with because the crowd offers them a sense of belonging and (false) worth. IE: Gang involvement.
18 . An engrained hatred and hostile nature because they think the world has done the dirty on them.
19 . Abandonment of a Parent .
20. No Dad around .
21. No Mom around.
22. Extreme resentment due to a tragic incident that occured in their life IE: Abuse, etc...
23. Trying to escape life by engaging in drink or drugs.
24. Sociopathic behavior based on a number of reasons.
25. Not being to find any meaning or purpose to their life.
26. Not wanting to finish living out their life .
27. Not being able to achieve material acquisition in a country that is very materialistic , so they become jealous and get a defeatist attitude.
28. A country that is lacking in moral discipline in all segments of government , federal / state / and local.
29. A country that abandoned 'im my brothers keeper' kind of attitude because being tolerant to others wrongful behaviour (apathy) helps justify their own reprobate minds.
America is only 'the beautiful' now as it pertains to scenic views across the land. I regret you have had poor experiences living in the USA as many others of us have. , but its going to get worse and never better.
uh, all those things you list and more could be added to it. do you think bad or degenerate people is something new? even before technology, tv etc people were bad because it is about "nature", repeat "nature." all those other projections are frivolous symptoms but not the real cause. everything you've listed has always existed besides the tv or whatever.
religion or not, has little to do with good behavior or even one's true morals. people find ways to show thier true colors and twist anything to justify what they want to do. the worst human beings i personally know is in thier fifities and sixties and are religious right wing bigots. so this bs that it's just because of current society or technology or whatever i hear repeated is ridiculous. bad people have always existed, religous or not.
i don't agree it can't get better because in reality society was never without plenty of bad people past or present. you don't even have to look at world history to know that but just the history of america and all the trials and tribulations and all the good and bad people who formed it. the good people changing things for the better and fighting evil.
Many Americans are civilized but contributing factors toward the mass number of degenerates here are (including but not limited to) :
1. Parents who are apathetic regarding parenting .
2. Parents who have the same mentality so pass it along to their offspring.
3. Parents who dont spend enough time with their kids to teach them right from wrong.
4. Kids who are groomed by our mass media to become disrespectful, inconsiderate, bravado, so as to appear cool.
5. Kids living for the praise of their peers by doing outrageous behaviour including vile language.
6. A societal shift from biblical mandates to post modernism including the top tenet of moral relativism.
7. An attitude of entitle-itis which stems from willful suppresion of ones moral conscience.
8. An attitude of having 'the right' to live / talk / behave as one wishes and using our U.S. Constitution to 'justify' it.
9. An increased propensity of every succeeding generation toward rebellion and a could care less attitude.
10. An ever increasing mentality for total automony at any detrimental expense.
11. TV programs that encourage violence .
12. An ever increasing disdain toward the Creator of the Universe including the teachings of Jesus Christ because they are a fly in ones ointment of living as one likes.
13. Never allowing anyone to have authority over them or importance over them .
14. Cultural philosophies of nihlism .
15. Relentless media encouragement of hedonism and promoting the me, me, me syndrome .
16. Willfuly chosen laziness and apathy .
17. Not much (or no) desire to be set apart from the crowd they run with because the crowd offers them a sense of belonging and (false) worth. IE: Gang involvement.
18 . An engrained hatred and hostile nature because they think the world has done the dirty on them.
19 . Abandonment of a Parent .
20. No Dad around .
21. No Mom around.
22. Extreme resentment due to a tragic incident that occured in their life IE: Abuse, etc...
23. Trying to escape life by engaging in drink or drugs.
24. Sociopathic behavior based on a number of reasons.
25. Not being to find any meaning or purpose to their life.
26. Not wanting to finish living out their life .
27. Not being able to achieve material acquisition in a country that is very materialistic , so they become jealous and get a defeatist attitude.
28. A country that is lacking in moral discipline in all segments of government , federal / state / and local.
29. A country that abandoned 'im my brothers keeper' kind of attitude because being tolerant to others wrongful behaviour (apathy) helps justify their own reprobate minds.
America is only 'the beautiful' now as it pertains to scenic views across the land. I regret you have had poor experiences living in the USA as many others of us have. , but its going to get worse and never better.
I certainly agree with most of the above points. I would add also the ridiculous obsession with celebrities.
They are just a different forms of narcissism, hedonism and nihilism.
Few links for those interested in the social phenomenon:
They are just subcategory of narcissism, hedonism and nihilism.
and that has always existed. it just expresses itself in different ways according to time and place.
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