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Old 03-25-2022, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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It is a State requirement
https://hawaiicovid19.com/mask-guidance/

QUOTE: On March 26, masks will no longer be required while indoors. Masks are still strongly recommended for people over age 65, with compromised immune systems, who care for people at risk of severe illness and those unvaccinated for COVID-19.

Where masks are strongly recommended
Schools
Hospitals and health care facilities
Long term care facilities
Shelters
Correctional facilities
Congregate living facilities
Crowded setting

There is an obvious difference between required and recommended.

If you know of a source that says masks are still required anywhere, please share it.
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Old 03-25-2022, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Have you been told no masks in classrooms? It has been all over the news this morning - masks still required in classrooms.

Required

https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-wil...d7ab0dcb6.html

Required

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-in-classrooms
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Old 03-25-2022, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Have you been told no masks in classrooms? It has been all over the news this morning - masks still required in classrooms.

Required

https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-wil...d7ab0dcb6.html

Required

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-in-classrooms

That is what I posted that started this exchange
:

"Meanwhile, schools have announced that they will keep it anyway. WTF! Kids are in the lowest risk category."

You claimed that it was a "federal mandate". I disproved that, then you said it was a "State requirement". I disproved that as well.

So we are back to what I stated to begin with. HDOE is preserving this rule even though it is no longer required at the Federal or State level.

My question is why?
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Old 03-25-2022, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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That is what I posted that started this exchange
:

"Meanwhile, schools have announced that they will keep it anyway. WTF! Kids are in the lowest risk category."

You claimed that it was a "federal mandate". I disproved that, then you said it was a "State requirement". I disproved that as well.

So we are back to what I stated to begin with. HDOE is preserving this rule even though it is no longer required at the Federal or State level.

My question is why?
I never claimed it was a Federal Mandate - I listed the Federal mandate around public transportation then used a - to transition.

It doesn't matter why. It is what it is.
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Old 03-25-2022, 03:30 PM
 
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That is what I posted that started this exchange
:

"Meanwhile, schools have announced that they will keep it anyway. WTF! Kids are in the lowest risk category."

You claimed that it was a "federal mandate". I disproved that, then you said it was a "State requirement". I disproved that as well.

So we are back to what I stated to begin with. HDOE is preserving this rule even though it is no longer required at the Federal or State level.

My question is why?



I think you answered your own question above. I think it is mostly CYA at this point.



When government health experts say masks are still "strongly recommended" in schools, what superintendent is going to ignore that unless there is a really strong groundswell in their local district to cover his back? All it takes is one kid to get sick at the school and some parent will sue claiming the school was negligent in not following the "strong recommendations" of health experts.
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Old 03-25-2022, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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I think you answered your own question above. I think it is mostly CYA at this point.



When government health experts say masks are still "strongly recommended" in schools, what superintendent is going to ignore that unless there is a really strong groundswell in their local district to cover his back? .
The States' "strong recommendation" is actually contrary to CDC guidance, given current metrics in Hawaii.

Superintendents could point out that parents and/or kids can choose to continue wearing masks if they so desire.

Schools could possibly get some assistance in their decision by surveying staff and students, as was done in my AK community. The majority wanted the mask mandate lifted, so it will be on April 4. This decision can be reversed if community hazard level goes beyond low to medium, per CDC guidance.

Hawaii is currently "low" everywhere, AFAIK.
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Old 03-25-2022, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I think you answered your own question above. I think it is mostly CYA at this point.



When government health experts say masks are still "strongly recommended" in schools, what superintendent is going to ignore that unless there is a really strong groundswell in their local district to cover his back? All it takes is one kid to get sick at the school and some parent will sue claiming the school was negligent in not following the "strong recommendations" of health experts.

CYA seems most likely. The problem is, we already have high school kids who refuse to wear them. You can send them to the office, but that just makes them angry at you, personally.

Schools will not suspend them for this and now that it is no longer a State or Federal requirement, it will become even harder to justify.

I suspect we will now see them mostly worn as "chin-diapers" if at all.

Make them optional!
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Old 03-26-2022, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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The problem is, we already have high school kids who refuse to wear them.
If you can't even follow rules in high school - that does not bode well for them the rest of their lives.
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Old 03-26-2022, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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If you can't even follow rules in high school - that does not bode well for them the rest of their lives.
This got me thinking about all of the rules I (we) broke in high school. Cutting an occasional class, copying someone else's homework, going out for lunch even though we were a "closed" campus, Senior ditch day, drinking before proms, etc.

Somehow, we all seemed to find success in life, and history continues to repeat itself 50 years later.

My dad told similar stories dating back 80 years.
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Old 03-26-2022, 01:38 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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If you can't even follow rules in high school - that does not bode well for them the rest of their lives.
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This got me thinking about all of the rules I (we) broke in high school. Cutting an occasional class, copying someone else's homework, going out for lunch even though we were a "closed" campus, Senior ditch day, drinking before proms, etc.

Somehow, we all seemed to find success in life, and history continues to repeat itself 50 years later.

My dad told similar stories dating back 80 years.
Ditto to Futuremauian. I hated school. Pretty much disregarded everything about it. Dropped out during 11th grade.

Self educated. Completed a military career. Ran my own small printing and graphics business for 30 years. Raised three kids and a couple fosters. Lived a minimalist lifestyle on boats. Invested the savings. Retired with a portfolio that most Americans would consider at least very well off. Two marriages over 22 and 30 years each ended in my caretaking their long illnesses till death parted us. Participated in volunteer service for homeless and struggling veterans for over 30 years as well.

School just sucked. Thought it then. Still do.
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