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Old 04-28-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Hitler was delusional and really did not know what he was doing...he was like an actor following a bizarre script...Stalin on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing...My father was on of his honor guards at the Kremlin during the Stalin era...Most hated and feared him. This man had no respect for Russia...He was a Georgian by birth and really had no affinity for the Russian people....All I know about his man is one thing...My mother as a young girl during the great famine and genocide ...struggle to keep her starving father alive..she would stuff blades of grass into his mouth...to no avail - Stalin understood one thing...If you wanted to be the most clever and brilliant man...It could be achieved by killing all those that you assumed were your intellectual superiors.

He killed all the bright high ranking army officers - and by doing so caused a deficit in leadership - which in turn cost millions of Russian lives....all that was left to lead were the fearful and inept...I would say Stalin was a pragmatic killer..Hitler was a fanciful killer.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Yeah, the "progressives" seem to be criticized most commonly for wanting people to have too many rights - like, for gay people to marry, or for accused criminals to have the rights promised by the constitution... the radical/hardline right want to selectively decide who gets rights and who doesn't, generally based off of economic, religious, ethnic, racial, sexual, parental, or national markers.

Contrary to what right-wing blogs and media try to push, one side just wants people to be able to live their lives as they see fit as long as it hurts no one else; the other side wants to make a litmus test to see how "American" you are, and for everyone else to pay for not being their ideal. One sounds a hell of a lot more like Uncle Joe than the other.
Yep, as in "litmus test to see how Soviet you are."

Two sides of the same coin, really, that's why I used to call someone like Patrick Buchanan "an old commie"

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Old 04-28-2013, 01:16 PM
 
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You don't know history good enough.
In spite of the economic boom at the end of the 19th century Russia was still lagging far behind the European countries, and since the majority of investments in her industry were foreign capital, she was basically in semi-colonial situation.
By the time of Socialist revolution it was still 90% agricultural country.

You didn't do your home work, so here is something for you to read...

RussianLegacy.com | Russian History - E. Prussakov - Tsarist Economy


Well, problem is that communist manipulate history beyond limits. I don't believe that the USSR was 90% agricultural. And I do believe that without the revolution, the USSR would be now in much better position now.

Yes, the majority of investments were foreign, so what?

Yes, Russia was lagging, but was indeed a formidable industrial power with a good technology.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Well, problem is that communist manipulate history beyond limits.
Read the Wikipedia, it'll tell you practically the same thing ( unless of course you think that commies are sitting in Wikipedia's office as well and it's all one big conspiracy to keep you away from *truthiness*.)

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I don't believe that the USSR was 90% agricultural.
It was not. Tzarist Russia was however.

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And I do believe that without the revolution, the USSR would be now in much better position now.

Huh? Without the revolution there would have been no such thing as USSR.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:13 AM
 
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Hitler was delusional and really did not know what he was doing...he was like an actor following a bizarre script...Stalin on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing...My father was on of his honor guards at the Kremlin during the Stalin era...Most hated and feared him. This man had no respect for Russia...He was a Georgian by birth and really had no affinity for the Russian people....All I know about his man is one thing...My mother as a young girl during the great famine and genocide ...struggle to keep her starving father alive..she would stuff blades of grass into his mouth...to no avail - Stalin understood one thing...If you wanted to be the most clever and brilliant man...It could be achieved by killing all those that you assumed were your intellectual superiors.

He killed all the bright high ranking army officers - and by doing so caused a deficit in leadership - which in turn cost millions of Russian lives....all that was left to lead were the fearful and inept...I would say Stalin was a pragmatic killer..Hitler was a fanciful killer.
I agree but not with all. Stalin was not really so bad as they say.
1 according to documented data (by the way this is a study of one of the American historian) not killed a single person without a reason. The number of dead is coming to 3000 people. All the rest is attributed to .

2 even Though he was the Georgians he has done a lot for the peoples of the USSR . Free Education,medicine ,prices declined for the USSR 3 times that there was no where and not today. Do not give an inch TALK raised science,manufacturing,medicine ,economy . He was feared and respected by all the world leaders. He was very clever and did a lot in the USSR.
To be honest when I was in school ,had the same thought as you are today. In the Years of his rule, Russia has belonged only to Russia. Today this is not so . Stalin did prevent foreign interference in the internal policy and economy of the country. That's the reason of it so a lot of talk and a lot of myths. He's never been like Hitler .
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:37 AM
 
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Well, problem is that communist manipulate history beyond limits. I don't believe that the USSR was 90% agricultural. And I do believe that without the revolution, the USSR would be now in much better position now.

Yes, the majority of investments were foreign, so what?

Yes, Russia was lagging, but was indeed a formidable industrial power with a good technology.
I agree with many things. I do not think revolyuii Russia today would be a very developed. By the way the revolution was also a fraud on the part of America and Germany, and a chief swindler and spy it was Lenin. I do not think that the Soviet Union at that time was backward. What? The largest number of innovations have made new in the USSR. Nashie allow computers to manage and Buran Lunahodom, at a time when in America it is considered impossible. NASA today due to fly to Mars Alexander Leonovich Kemurdzhiana. Even Moonwalker, which ended with the advent of a parade in honor of the inauguration of U.S. President Barack Obama, has been created with the use of developments made by Soviet engineers locking system of the new lunar rover is different in that the astronauts come out of a sealed cabin, falling through the hatch directly into lunar space suit that is placed on the outside . This invention was made and recorded in 1980 by Soviet engineers. It is sponsored by Yuri Nazarov from CDB Engineering, led by Academician Vladimir Chelomei, and deputy director of NGO "Star" Isaac Abrams, one of the founders of the gateway to exit Leonov in open kosmos.v 1980. And the future is unsurprising success of NASA's Mrse. Russia has presented a fully developed program to fly to Mars.You know what the most interesting fact. The Americans have taken out all the finished rocket and devices, all of the major scholars of German rocket program during World War II. And even with them, and Brown could not flew into space until Penkosvsky not sell the secrets of rocket fuel. Russian got only fragments of German rockets and simple staff.

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Old 04-29-2013, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Troy Hill, The Pitt
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Re: Stalin was worse than Hitler



No he was not. Stalin and his actions were nothing new and exclusive in Russian history,

Oprichnina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

while Hitler and his racial theories were far more sinister in this respect. And it was Hitler, not Stalin who brought the death of 60 million people as the result of the WWII.

(But anyway, if you want to educate yourself on this subject, you are better off to check with the history forum)


Bible For The Hitler-Stalin Debate

I think the argument could be made that there was a measure of racial motivation in at least a few of Stalin's atrocities: 1944-1957: Deportation and exile - Telegraph
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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stalin invaded poland too

So which of the two stole the Kieska?
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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I agree but not with all. Stalin was not really so bad as they say.
1 according to documented data (by the way this is a study of one of the American historian) not killed a single person without a reason. The number of dead is coming to 3000 people. All the rest is attributed to .

2 even Though he was the Georgians he has done a lot for the peoples of the USSR . Free Education,medicine ,prices declined for the USSR 3 times that there was no where and not today. Do not give an inch TALK raised science,manufacturing,medicine ,economy . He was feared and respected by all the world leaders. He was very clever and did a lot in the USSR.
To be honest when I was in school ,had the same thought as you are today. In the Years of his rule, Russia has belonged only to Russia. Today this is not so . Stalin did prevent foreign interference in the internal policy and economy of the country. That's the reason of it so a lot of talk and a lot of myths. He's never been like Hitler .
Whether it be National Socialism or Communism..BOTH Hitler and Stalin..had a system and a certain personal awareness. Both of these men knew they were of limited intelligence..and attrition was part of their crude plan. In their minds in order to seize brute power you had to get rid of minds. As for the engineered starvation that took place in the Ukraine...which was ancient Russia. Stalin committed genocide of millions..who he felt would never submit to his rule. Much like Hitler. Whether they be Jews or Orthodox Christians - Stalin and Hitler realized that those who believed in GOD would never fully bow and fall under the spell of the cult of personality...so they had to be destroyed.


Having had parents who suffered under communism and German fascism - where both parents lost parents and family due to direct and indirect execution of family members...I will never find anything positive about Hitler or Stalin. When someone murders your relatives - no matter how long ago- You do not forgive.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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stalin invaded poland too
Stalin invaded Poland in order to protect the population and to select ruskoyazychnyh Russian land back in '25 that Poland has taken away.
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