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We did not seriously pursue war crimes trials against the Japanese because the US government decided that Japan needed to be rebuilt quickly and used as an ally against the Russian sphere of influence in the East. German rocket scientists were brought to the US, and Japanese war crimes were, for the most part, ignored or not pursued.
Some Japanese war criminals even got to be prime minister, and their relations also got to be prime minister.
I think the blood libel as an explanation for medieval antisemitism is much more powerful than it is as an explanation for modern antisemitism. It was the case that the blood libel crystalized antisemitism early on in European cultures, and then it took on a life of its own. However by the time of the 20th century the claims of deicide had very little purchase. Did the Nazis even mention them?
Religion is definitely an excuse for hatred, but I don't think it's the prime motivation in the Holocaust.
The average person thinks oh there was a gas chamber and they gassed in what was a shower and it was bad Hitler was evil totalitarian he was psycho That’s all true but they narrowly wrap that up as Holocaust and it stops there.
A lot of ignored chapters and misinformation …
First off …, the shootings of Jews in Ukraine and Lithuania were done by local nationalists who used propaganda that all Jews were responsible for Soviet policies. Babi Yar and Riga massacres and Vilnius ones preceded Pearl Harbor and the Wannsee conference and the reason they Nazis even searched for gas methods of genocide was to keep the events of murder more contained so more could die faster without disruption from collaborators chickening out over the smell and intimacy of dead people because unlike Babi Yar, not every city and town has a forest with a ravine to throw 33,000 corpses at a time
The killing squads in Ukraine and Latvia and Lithuania were all from volunteers of local willing participants with or without Hitler
The Romania Antonescu willingly murdered Jews and hanged them like meat packs in a market …. Hundreds of thousands of them
Polish locals rounded up all the Jews in their town and burned them
Alive in a barn
A Jewish shop keeper in L’vov my grandma knew, kind man, was forced head down in a toilet and the toilet was flushed in his face with feces in it till he drowned
Switzerland angrily reached out to Hitler on own that they are frustrated that Jews are refugee status trying to get into Switzerland can they like stamp J on their visas so they know who not to take?
In Poland AFTER Hitler was dead, the Kielce Pogrom involved 40 Jews shot dead in a building , tortured even by the police who were called for help and they were relieved when after a delayed showing up, security came to help … but they came to kill more of the Jews not to help
Jews were hated beyond Hitler, hated for existing, hated blindly
I think it's more important for students to learn the overall story of the Holocaust--the motivations that caused the leaders to do what they did, and more importantly the human factors that caused so many people to follow along and join in. IMO, it's less important for students to be able to describe how many victims died by gunshot vs gas, and whether Babi Yar happened before or after Vilnius.
But I think one challenge educators have is that school is still only 12 years, and there is so much more that students have to learn in that time---just the topic of history alone has so much more to cover than existed a generation ago. When I was a HS student, world history basically ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union--and time was so constrained, we barely had time to cover the Korean War. Now educators have to cover two Iraq wars, 9/11 and Afghanistan, and more.
It is absolutely true that for too long, our education has been too Eurocentric. Why is the Nazi Holocaust more worthwhile to cover than the Armenian genocide? Do you think it is less important that students are unable to accurately place the Gikondo massacre before the Nyarubuye massacre, or correctly size them within the scale of the overall Rwandan genocide? How much time do you think should be spent studying the ethnic cleansing of Myanmar?
Perhaps more importantly, are you equally outraged about the deficiencies in our education of US History? Should textbooks itemize every forced march of Native Americans, or would it be okay to just cover a couple of them--perhaps just that of the Nez Perce and the Navajo? Should students be able to quantify how many First Nations succumbed to European diseases versus how many starved to death? If you believe it important to know the myriad ways in which Nazis killed their victims, presumably you also think American students should know the myriad ways in which we killed Native Americans--not just starvation and disease, we also executed thousands who collapsed during these forced marches (including pregnant women and the elderly), executed whole villages for fun, and committed forced sterilization on half of the Native American population. And should students need to rank each US state in descending order according to the when our states finally stopped operating 'residential schools' and forced sterilization practices? Since Hitler's idea for the concentration camps came from Native American reservations, surely students need to have a thorough understanding of our own crimes before we can understand the Nazis.
Why is it not taught in schools that among the murdered 6 million Jews, 2 million were rounded up and shot in daylight?
There is only so much time with new history being made daily and interest from advocacy groups to change up what previous generations focused on.
That older everyday German reservist serving in the rear areas did much of the killing and it was not just the S.S. will get less time as we move further into the future. However the camps with their organization is the anomaly as compared to the history of atrocities by the soldiers of the winning side. Perhaps if they see it in a movie those other than history of that era buffs will pick up
The average person thinks oh there was a gas chamber and they gassed in what was a shower and it was bad Hitler was evil totalitarian he was psycho That’s all true but they narrowly wrap that up as Holocaust and it stops there.
A lot of ignored chapters and misinformation …
First off …, the shootings of Jews in Ukraine and Lithuania were done by local nationalists who used propaganda that all Jews were responsible for Soviet policies. Babi Yar and Riga massacres and Vilnius ones preceded Pearl Harbor and the Wannsee conference and the reason they Nazis even searched for gas methods of genocide was to keep the events of murder more contained so more could die faster without disruption from collaborators chickening out over the smell and intimacy of dead people because unlike Babi Yar, not every city and town has a forest with a ravine to throw 33,000 corpses at a time
The killing squads in Ukraine and Latvia and Lithuania were all from volunteers of local willing participants with or without Hitler
The Romania Antonescu willingly murdered Jews and hanged them like meat packs in a market …. Hundreds of thousands of them
Polish locals rounded up all the Jews in their town and burned them
Alive in a barn
A Jewish shop keeper in L’vov my grandma knew, kind man, was forced head down in a toilet and the toilet was flushed in his face with feces in it till he drowned
Switzerland angrily reached out to Hitler on own that they are frustrated that Jews are refugee status trying to get into Switzerland can they like stamp J on their visas so they know who not to take?
In Poland AFTER Hitler was dead, the Kielce Pogrom involved 40 Jews shot dead in a building , tortured even by the police who were called for help and they were relieved when after a delayed showing up, security came to help … but they came to kill more of the Jews not to help
Jews were hated beyond Hitler, hated for existing, hated blindly
I'm not sure why Jews have been persecuted throughout history. However, I recall do a co-working saying he believed, "Hitler had been a tuned-in guy who wanted to level the karma of the Jews".
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What surprises me is what we ARE NOT taught about what Japan did during this time. Some of what they did is just as bad, if not worse, than what the Nazis did. Medical experimentation on Chinese and POWs, mass rape and murder, some Japanese troops using POWs as livestock for meat, using POWs to practice beheading with their swords, and rounding up women from across Asia/Pacific for forced prostitution for the Japanese troops. Look up the Kanto Earthquake which was followed by the Kanto Massacre of anyone they believed were Koreans.
Schools seem quite selective of what is taught and what isn't. The holocaust is at least recognized, how many in school ever heard of the holodomor perpetrated by Stalin in which millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death? I've often wondered if that was because the US allied itself with Stalin in WW II or is there some other reason?
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