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Old 07-23-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Benicar View Post
My opinion of illegal aliens has no bearing on the veracity, or lack thereof, of the Census data.
Funny considering you just claimed you believed they couldn't be trusted and would either 1. lie on it or 2. not turn it in


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The absence of immigration status on their questionnaire makes their data on illegal immigration a guesstimate. Nothing more.
This is of course still wrong.

 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:29 PM
 
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Well geez then it shouldn't be hard for you or Benicar to discredit that study I posted since that is what this thread is about.
Why bother discrediting a study that is flawed?

Why don't YOU prove from other reputable sources the study isn't flawed, then we'll have a discussion........
 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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Why bother discrediting a study that is flawed?

Why don't YOU prove from other reputable sources the study isn't flawed, then we'll have a discussion........
I didn't start a thread in which I wanted to disprove all these bogus studies. Your trolling is just making your side look even sillier btw.

Also, from the study I linked:

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According to estimates from the Department of Homeland Security, 10.8 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2009, compared with 11.8 million in 2007, the peak number for the decade. These estimates are consistent with the Pew Hispanic Center estimates.
So since they are pretty consistent I guess that's two studies to refute now.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Oh yeah back when you were claiming the PEW couldn't figure out the illegal population because the Census DIDN'T HAVE A CHECKBOX FOR THAT!!! It's tough to keep up when you change arguments like a crack head changes conversation topics.
I never mentioned a check box. I said they do not include immigration status on their questionnaire.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have not made this personal. Nor have I implied that you were retarded, a crack head, or stated anything that could be construed as denigrating or insulting. If you cannot debate this issue with maturity and civility, I suggest you move along.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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I never mentioned a check box. I said they do not include immigration status on their questionnaire.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have not made this personal. Nor have I implied that you were retarded, a crack head, or stated anything that could be construed as denigrating or insulting. If you cannot debate this issue with maturity and civility, I suggest you move along.
Well the census bureau actually has a check box for native or foreign-born which is what it a legal/illegal question would probably be as well. I don't even know what your point is......

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The use of a native or foreign-born check box in the question may have had some impact for prompting people to report a place of birth.
Evaluating Components of International Migration: Quality of Foreign-Born and Hispanic Population Data
 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Many of the illegals live in the shadows to begin with and just try to blend in.
And some here think they fill out the census form with their name, address and the fact that they are illegal and then send it in to the FedGov ? ROFL.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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Many of the illegals live in the shadows to begin with and just try to blend in.
And some here think they fill out the census form with their name, address and the fact that they are illegal and then send it in to the FedGov ? ROFL.
Well, it's obvious you didn't even read the OP, and at least 90% of Benicar's other posts itt. They all mentioned that the census doesn't ask for legal/illegal status.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Well the census bureau actually has a check box for native or foreign-born which is what it a legal/illegal question would probably be as well. I don't even know what your point is......

Evaluating Components of International Migration: Quality of Foreign-Born and Hispanic Population Data
My point: The current system is not designed to identify or enumerate the illegal alien population. And, attempts to include immigration status were denied. Therefore, at best, their estimates are pure speculation, and cannot be considered accurate. In fact, the same method was used to estimate the number of illegals for the 1986 amnesty. They grossly miscalculated. According to Census data, we had approximately 1 million illegal aliens in this country. In reality, there were more than 3 million. Without modifying their questionnaire, or devising another method to identify the illegal alien population, they will continue to yield similar results.

I have explained, to the best of my ability, why I believe their data is flawed. It is certainly your prerogative to believe their reports, as it is mine to choose not.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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You haven't even explained how the PEW study got their results yet or explained with evidence, why it is a bogus study. I had to explain the methodology to you once and I still don't think you get it considering this last post you just made.
 
Old 07-23-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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My point: The current system is not designed to identify or enumerate the illegal alien population. And, attempts to include immigration status were denied. Therefore, at best, their estimates are pure speculation, and cannot be considered accurate. In fact, the same method was used to estimate the number of illegals for the 1986 amnesty. They grossly miscalculated. According to Census data, we had approximately 1 million illegal aliens in this country. In reality, there were more than 3 million. Without modifying their questionnaire, or devising another method to identify the illegal alien population, they will continue to yield similar results.

I have explained, to the best of my ability, why I believe their data is flawed. It is certainly your prerogative to believe their reports, as it is mine to choose not.
Who's data was this? You don't trust government data.
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