First United Methodist bans term ‘illegal immigrant’ as ‘dehumanizing (illegally, soldiers)
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...All Christians believe in the ten commandments and follow them. They also expect other Christians to do the same.
But there are untold numbers of "Christians" that have not followed specific commandments within just that group of ten. Arguably, there might not be very many adult Christians that have not violated at least one of the Ten Commandments, in many cases it is going to be more than just one. Earlier I also referred to the difference in interpretations (i.e. "Thou shall not KILL" vs. "Thou shall not MURDER").
I have broken many of the Ten Commandments, whom wants to cast that first stone?...
And I realistically expect other "Christians" to be as weak and human as I am...
But there are untold numbers of "Christians" that have not followed specific commandments within just that group of ten. Arguably, there might not be very many adult Christians that have not violated at least one of the Ten Commandments, in many cases it is going to be more than just one. Earlier I also referred to the difference in interpretations (i.e. "Thou shall not KILL" vs. "Thou shall not MURDER").
I have broken many of the Ten Commandments, whom wants to cast that first stone?...
And I realistically expect other "Christians" to be as weak and human as I am...
But there are untold numbers of "Christians" that have not followed specific commandments within just that group of ten. Arguably, there might not be very many adult Christians that have not violated at least one of the Ten Commandments, in many cases it is going to be more than just one. Earlier I also referred to the difference in interpretations (i.e. "Thou shall not KILL" vs. "Thou shall not MURDER").
I have broken many of the Ten Commandments, whom wants to cast that first stone?...
And I realistically expect other "Christians" to be as weak and human as I am...
The point is that the Ten Commandments are there to follow as a guide to conduct our behavior. Most Christians do not willingly break them. Of course we are all human and subject to temptation but as long as we repent when we break them, ask forgiveness and try not to break them again, I believe that we are forgiven. It is when someone continually breaks one or more over and over that I don't consider them to be a true Christian then.
As for killing vs murder, I believe that one has a right to self-defense. Pre-meditated murder is an entirely different thing.
The point is that the Ten Commandments are there to follow as a guide to conduct our behavior. Most Christians do not willingly break them. Of course we are all human and subject to temptation but as long as we repent when we break them, ask forgiveness and try not to break them again, I believe that we are forgiven. It is when someone continually breaks one or more over and over that I don't consider them to be a true Christian then...
I've known for you longer than most, that I would not want what you see as your own moral code projected upon others. Your phrasing even differs from the doctrine I follow. And you have the judgement to call someone different for what they believe because of it.
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...As for killing vs murder, I believe that one has a right to self-defense. Pre-meditated murder is an entirely different thing.
You're actually thinking too narrowly in this instance already...
I've known for you longer than most, that I would not want what you see as your own moral code projected upon others. Your phrasing even differs from the doctrine I follow. And you have the judgement to call someone different for what they believe because of it.
You're actually thinking too narrowly in this instance already...
If one isn't living by the moral code of the ten commandments then they can't be a Christian. As I said, we are still human and do break those commandments from time to time but the important thing is to adhere to them as much as possible and repent when we don't. Going against any of the ten commandments on a daily basis in thought or action is not being a true Christian.
I hardly think that killing someone in self-defense and outright pre-meditated or a rage induced murder is the same thing. The margin of intent is wide, not narrow. Now I am done with this off topic discussion. It's gone on far too long now.
If one isn't living by the moral code of the ten commandments then they can't be a Christian...
To which I reject wholeheartedly...
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
...As I said, we are still human and do break those commandments from time to time but the important thing is to adhere to them as much as possible and repent when we don't...
In particular to the Ten Commandments (and the divisions thereof), whom do we repent to?...
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
...Going against any of the ten commandments on a daily basis in thought or action is not being a true Christian...
Whereas I say the very notion of being tempted to go against them on a daily basis is a crucial part in Christianity and other religions...
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
...I hardly think that killing someone in self-defense and outright pre-meditated or a rage induced murder is the same thing. The margin of intent is wide, not narrow. Now I am done with this off topic discussion. It's gone on far too long now.
Still too narrow. In itself, just this could be a lifetime of debate. But you've finally brought up a point at the end I can agree with.
Maybe the Methodist Church would be better off using the proper term of Illegal Alien to clear up any confusion.
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