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Also, it costs ICE on average $11,000 to deport one person. Where do you plan on raising $121 billion to deport 11 million people?
You assume that we will need to deport all 11 million.
Seize the assets of the illegals caught. Why are they here? Take their ill begotten assets. As illegals are caught and deported fear will spread and they will self deport rather than lose what they have gained.
We have seen this effect in cities that cracked down. That is before Obama and company decided illegals mattered more than citizens. Illegals will move to where it is safe, even self deport. But first we must start the crack down.
Also, it costs ICE on average $11,000 to deport one person. Where do you plan on raising $121 billion to deport 11 million people?
The system isn't broken. What needs to be done is to remove all of the incentives for illegal aliens to come here and that will also encourage many to leave on their own. The good wall needs to be completed also. Deportations will only have to occur for those who remain here.
Even if we tried to deport every one of the 11 million assuming your $121 billion is correct (no link provided) it would pay for itself in less than 2 years as illegal aliens cost us over $100 billion a year.
ICE spent an average of $10,854 per deportee during the fiscal year that ended in September, said Yasmeen Pitts O'Keefe, ICE spokeswoman. "This includes all costs necessary to identify, apprehend, detain, process through immigration court, and remove an alien," she said in an interview.
What's the cost per illegal, in crime (stolen IDs, SSNs), illegal benefits, workers comp, displaced jobs, displaced housing (driving up the cost of housing), pollution, utilities used up, accidents, violent crimes, incarceration. Tally all of that up to a number per illegal and let's compare.
By the way, are you really trying to justify illegal activities because it cost money to enforce the law? Lol wow.
What's the cost per illegal, in crime (stolen IDs, SSNs), illegal benefits, workers comp, displaced jobs, displaced housing (driving up the cost of housing), pollution, utilities used up, accidents, violent crimes, incarceration. Tally all of that up to a number per illegal and let's compare.
By the way, are you really trying to justify illegal activities because it cost money to enforce the law? Lol wow.
What is the total amount of taxes paid, including into coffers for benefits that they will never have access to, benefits provided by work provided, contribution to the nation’s productivity and GDP, etc? Have to consider that alongside the other stuff.
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
there's a reason for that ... In America, Immigrants Really Do Get The Job Done
"Highly skilled immigrants are key to prosperity"
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When the stats are skewed to the point to where no one can tell what's a, what's a ... but every one carries on as if they do know, there's just so much wrong with that, that there is no right any more. Just the crazies with the pitch forks.
So what it boils down to, when the companies that need the workers, can not find the workers move to a country that has those that are willing to work, then and only then will the government begin to feel the hurt and the Americans will be left going, but I thought ... the people who were migrating in were all takers, not givers to our economy.
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I am totally confused by your last paragraph, can't make sense of it. Our legal system is set up to give preference to highly skilled people in both permanent and temporary immigration.
I stopped reading that article on the first few sentences. It's titled Highly Skilled Immigrants get the job done and right off the bat they mention the wall, the "Muslim ban", children separated at the border; none of those things have anything to do with highly skilled workers.
Illegal immigration displaces zero to low skilled jobs, of which there millions as Cruz Azul pointed out.
What is difficult to understand where as companies ... employers who are unable to manufacture and produce in the u.s. as there is a shortage of workforce, because of the chaos created by presidential immigration 'policies' (not law) will leave the country and move their organization else where ...
If you had continued reading you may have understood ... "Kerr concludes that countries shutting the door on legal immigration are following the wrong approach. Far from being a drain on an economy, immigrants are actually an engine that helps drive innovation and growth —and could even become more vital to global competitiveness in the future." (my emphasis)
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Is it a rebuttal? Doesn't change anything.
"Highly Skilled Immigrants get the job done" has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Highly skilled immigrants implies legal immigrants, they would most likely meet the criteria for legal immigration into the US. I've never heard of a highly skilled illegal immigrant, why would a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. enter as an illegal when they can enter legally and reap the full benefits of being a resident without the risk of being deported. Whether temporary Visa or permanent resident immigration.
It does when a person takes into account that the status of an migrant's position to their standing on legality doesn't amount to a hill of beans, where as, presidential 'policies' come into play ... if a person is a migrant, they are here illegally ... what part of that are you not getting?
example Obama years: Our Immigration Policies Are Telling Foreign Students To 'Get Out' After They Graduate
"The United States continues to attract the brightest and the best from all over the world to study in our schools. Yet, after graduation, we are essentially telling these graduates to ‘get out’ and take their talents elsewhere, which is only going to backfire our country in the long run." Displaced American STEM workers spur Senate hearing
"The issue of job loss for American science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) workers has now also entered the enduring national debate over high-skill guest workers, as illustrated last week at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest."
Here's what you're not getting. We don't need these people. Americans need their jobs back. It's a slap in the face to immigrants who followed our laws to come here and within our annual quotas.
Yes, it is and yet they are getting their face slapped because of the Buy American Hire American policies of the Trump Administration and here's the deal ... Displaced American STEM workers spur Senate hearing
" ... former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, presented a contrary view. “Immigrants and native-born Americans do not directly compete with each other for jobs in the same way that a lot of people might imagine, and … when foreign-born STEM workers enter the U.S. labor force, it creates an opportunity for native-born Americans to respond by doing other types of work, including managerial occupations, that often, though not always, pay higher wages,†he stated." (my emphasis)
"The U.S. succeeds in attracting highly trained workers from around the world even though the country's immigration system provides only modest ostensible reward for skill. Family-based immigration absorbs the lion share of the U.S. permanent residence visas. Immediate family members of U.S. citizens, who are eligible for green cards without restriction, accounted for 44.4% of admissions of legal permanent residents in 2013 (Office of Immigration Statistics, 2014). Additional family members of U.S. citizens and legal residents accounted for another 21.2%. Employer-sponsored visas made up only 16.3% of the total. These outcomes are consistent with long-standing priorities of U.S. immigration policy. The Immigration Act of 1990, which moderately reformed the landmark Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, allocated 480,000 visas to family-sponsored categories but just 140,000 visas to employer-sponsored ones."
and since we can't seem to get it together on this and we continue to support the present day administrations (as well as those of the past ones) insistence in causing chaos on the immigration laws ...
This is what we can expect ...
To Stay or Not To Stay: The Calculus for International STEM Students in the United States
"As the top global destination for international students, the United States stands to benefit economically from their skills, given it faces its own labor shortages in select science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields. At the same time, other advanced economies are stepping up their efforts to recruit highly skilled graduates from abroad—in some cases targeting those educated in the United States.
<snip> Growing Competition Abroad
Slim chances of receiving an H-1B visa and the inability to switch employers without getting reapproved for the visa contrast with policies that favor STEM immigrants in other countries. In New Zealand, most skilled foreign workers apply for permanent residence through the Skilled Migrant Category, a points-based system where candidates can gain almost half the number of points required by having a job offer in a labor shortage field, most typically STEM. In October 2016 Australia announced that STEM master’s and doctoral students will be given an additional 5 out of 60 points toward permanent residency. Australia has no quota for temporary skilled workers, and international students who possess critical skills can work in the country for up to four years after graduation. These policies, along with the depreciation of the Australian dollar, have helped increase the number of international students choosing to study in Australia.
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Some countries have gone so far as to actively recruit graduates from top U.S. universities by offering alternatives to the complex U.S. visa system."
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Just in case there is little understanding in all this, let me (be clear) reiterate. It doesn't matter whether a person is skilled or unskilled, legal migrant or illegal migrant, receiving benefits or not ... all fall into one net. Not a u.s. citizen subject to be deported at any time.
Companies that need low skilled workers be they American citizens or immigrants, when the workforce for those workers dry up, they move their companies to the countries, who have the workers they need.
When the fields of opportunities such as STEM put a burden on people who are educated in those areas to stay in the u.s, those people will simply move to a country that, ... appreciates what they have to offer.
What does this have to do with the price of beans in China?
Stop worrying about green card holders being welfare recipients, because that is a misnomer ... the chaos this administration has unleashed was brought on by the American people and the American people brought it on, because they have been lied to about what is really going on in their world.
What is the total amount of taxes paid, including into coffers for benefits that they will never have access to, benefits provided by work provided, contribution to the nation’s productivity and GDP, etc? Have to consider that alongside the other stuff.
Here is a study of the costs vs benefits. They are a net fiscal loss to our society not to mention all the things that Max and I both mentioned such as loss of jobs, reduced wages, etc. for Americans. We have to enforce all of our laws or our country descends into chaos. Costs of doing so is irrelevant.
Here is a study of the costs vs benefits. They are a net fiscal loss to our society not to mention all the things that Max and I both mentioned such as loss of jobs, reduced wages, etc. for Americans. We have to enforce all of our laws or our country descends into chaos. Costs of doing so is irrelevant.
Can I ask you a serious question. Why so adamant about keeping illegal aliens here? What is the reason you will argue to no end for law breakers?
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