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View Poll Results: Do you think the Southwest "morally" belongs to the Mexicans?
Yes, its their land that we took. 12 11.54%
No, we won it fair and square. 87 83.65%
Not sure, dont really know the whole situation. 5 4.81%
Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-11-2008, 02:23 PM
 
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I do think that Mexico has a moral right to the Southwest, and that it should be returned to their custody next week, at the latest. I think that Russia has a moral claim to Alaska, too. Great Britain should get the Pacific Northwest AND the eastern seaboard. Florida should be returned to Spain, the Mississippi Basin to France, Delaware should belong to Sweden, and New York City to Holland.

Let's just disband the whole failed experiment, give it back to its 'proper' owners, and then we'll sit by and watch THEM explain why THEY stole it from the Indians. THIS could get interesting!!!
Why stop there? Surely there will be some attorney who would be willing to represent 'Cro-Magnon Man'.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:12 PM
 
Location: California
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These people look so warm and fuzzy.

Flipping off the people who pay their taxes. How nice of the little leeches.


GREAT IDEA!! Where can I sign up????


I dont remember them owning the continent. They lost it in war. Too bad so sad.

Awwww.....he looks lonely, does he need a friend? I probably have paid for not only his jail time, but his hospital visits, policing, and welfare. And those tatoos were probably on my dime too .


No immigrant group has ever done this before have they?
How do you know they're illegal? How do you know they're not paying taxes?
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: California
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Yes, we won the land from Mexico. Did we take it morally? No. We thought that we could take all this land because of Manifest Destiny.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:18 PM
 
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Do you think the Southwest "morally" belongs to the Mexicans?
To ask this on a forum where the vast majority of the folks here are patriots, all american - what ever that means, and anti immigrant, is not a great idea. The South West belongs to the Indians, not the Mexicans or any government. But what is done is done. We won the war, with our guns and cannons and forced them out. Because the white man needed to take over. You know, the Indians were savages and didn't deserve to be here anyway. But that's history. What's done is done. Look at Romans...they did the same with Europe. Wars are fought and won or lost. Those white folks happend to win.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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To ask this on a forum where the vast majority of the folks here are patriots, all american - what ever that means, and anti immigrant, is not a great idea. The South West belongs to the Indians, not the Mexicans or any government. But what is done is done. We won the war, with our guns and cannons and forced them out. Because the white man needed to take over. You know, the Indians were savages and didn't deserve to be here anyway. But that's history. What's done is done. Look at Romans...they did the same with Europe. Wars are fought and won or lost. Those white folks happend to win.
Add in the Navajo who arrived ca. 1000 AD most likely forcing out prior indigenous peoples............

As you stated: welcome to history.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:37 PM
 
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And if you think about, if the Whites didn't take over, founded this great country, build our wealth over the centuries...etc...these illegals wouldn't be coming here anyway! We would all be in Europe sipping on tea and cappucinos!
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:44 PM
 
Location: California
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And if you think about, if the Whites didn't take over, founded this great country, build our wealth over the centuries...etc...these illegals wouldn't be coming here anyway! We would all be in Europe sipping on tea and cappucinos!
Whites founded everything from the tip of North American down to the tip of South America.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And if you think about, if the Whites didn't take over, founded this great country, build our wealth over the centuries...etc...these illegals wouldn't be coming here anyway! We would all be in Europe sipping on tea and cappucinos!
If if were not the White Euros; the group that could have subjugated the New World could have been the Japanese----------or, even the Chinese.

Hell; had the Aztecs and/or Incas taken a different path in history----------they might have gone to Europe, Africa, etc. instead of being defeated by the Spanish.
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:37 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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To ask this on a forum where the vast majority of the folks here are patriots, all american - what ever that means, and anti immigrant, is not a great idea. The South West belongs to the Indians, not the Mexicans or any government. But what is done is done. We won the war, with our guns and cannons and forced them out. Because the white man needed to take over. You know, the Indians were savages and didn't deserve to be here anyway. But that's history. What's done is done. Look at Romans...they did the same with Europe. Wars are fought and won or lost. Those white folks happend to win.
And those "white men" made America one of the best, most free, and democratic countries in the world. We need to enjoy our freedoms, and enforce our laws. THIS IS NOT a country that has any need to not enforce its laws. And you say forced "them" out. Arent you hispanic? Werent you one of those who was forced out and is all bitter and shrivled because of it?
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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Yes, we won the land from Mexico. Did we take it morally? No. We thought that we could take all this land because of Manifest Destiny.
Just about the whole world, at one time or another, was "taken" by somebody, from somebody ELSE. Mostly under circumstances FAR more violent than the US "taking" the Southwest (for which they even paid a large sum of money, and the 'natives' were allowed to stay on). Pretty mild, I'd say, as far as 'taking' goes.

But of ALL these cases, I can't think of ONE that was done "morally"...at least the LOSERS didn't think it was very 'moral'...It's just that "Our" immorality was probably not as great as MOST...
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