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Maybe we should all go back and claim land that belonged to our ancestors. I like the idea -- 200 years ago an ancestor of mine in England owned a huge house that is now a museum. I like it. I like the land that it sits on too. Now who was the nasty person who took MY house and land away? I'm going to claim it back.
How stupid. Throughout the course of history lands have been been taken over by others -- where would it stop? Everyone, check your genealogy and you'll see that YOUR land was taken too. Does any government feel morally obligated to return OUR lands to us? LOL
As you stated.
My family lost everything in Hungary back in 1945-48 when the Communists came to power.
Oh well-------life goes on.
More importantly; those cultures that have a 'can do' attitude tend to rebuild their societies once back at peace (Jews come to mind) whereas other cultures, even if everything was handed to them on a silver platter will continue to live like trash (the Irish till 100 years ago come to mind-----when they collectively changed their basic mindset from chaos to self discipline).
My family lost everything in Hungary back in 1945-48 when the Communists came to power.
Oh well-------life goes on.
More importantly; those cultures that have a 'can do' attitude tend to rebuild their societies once back at peace (Jews come to mind) whereas other cultures, even if everything was handed to them on a silver platter will continue to live like trash (the Irish till 100 years ago come to mind-----when they collectively changed their basic mindset from chaos to self discipline).
Cite a source. I very much doubt you grasp of Irish socio-economic history after watching your complete misunderstanding of where you live.
Back to the OP, just curious, since people were quoting Teddy Roosevelt, what do guys you think of these quotes by another great general(of later civil war fame) on the Mexican-American War?
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[edit] General Ulysses S. Grant's views about the war
PresidentUlysses S. Grant, who as a young army officer had served in Mexico under General Taylor, recalled in his Memoirs, published in 1885, that:
"Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory." [19]
Grant also expressed the view that the war against Mexico had brought God's punishment on the United States in the form of the American Civil War:
"The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times." [20]
In 1879, while in China during his post presidential world tour, Grant told John Russell Young: "I had very strong opinions on the subject. I do not think there was ever a more wicked war than that waged by the United States on Mexico. I had a horror of the Mexican War, and I have always believed that it was on our part most unjust. The wickedness was not in the way our soldiers conducted it, but in the conduct of our government in declaring was. We had no claim on Mexico. Texas had no claim beyond the Nueces River, and yet we pushed on to the Rio Grande and crossed it. I am always ashamed of my country when I think of that invasion" [21].
Back to the OP, just curious, since people were quoting Teddy Roosevelt, what do guys you think of these quotes by another great general(of later civil war fame) on the Mexican-American War?
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Point well taken: water under the bridge though.
Somehow I doubt the Hispanics/Portuguese felt that same way when they subjugated Latin America starting 1492.
Somehow I doubt the Hispanics/Portuguese felt that same way when they subjugated Latin America starting 1492.
Water under the bridge, pretty much what I said on my first post on this thread. But call it what it was. It was anything but "fair and square". It was pretty much a robbery.
Somehow I doubt the Hispanics/Portuguese felt that same way when they subjugated Latin America starting 1492.
So we can be a horrid nation as long as we can find some other nation who did the same or even worse?
Interesting standards you have...
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