Do you think the Southwest "morally" belongs to the Mexicans? (legal, laws)
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Then Texas kicked Mexico out in 1836-------Tx was its own country for about a decade.
The past is the past------it cannot be changed.
Besides: if one wishes to be technical about things------France owned Mexico after 1848.
Another part of Mexico that 'got away' was Guatemala------yet, Mx does not seem to want that land back.
Strictly speaking, Mx has only been independent since 1867.
Now here we agree with the exception that controlling a country does not make you the legitamate owner. That requires the acquiescense of the people who live there. Colonialist control...they don't own.
And we agree that this all went down a long time ago and is not up for discussion.
If the southwest had stayed in Mexico's hands do any of you honestly believe that San Francisco would have two great bridges and cable cars? Do you think Mexico would have been able to build Hoover Dam??
Then Texas kicked Mexico out in 1836-------Tx was its own country for about a decade.
The past is the past------it cannot be changed.
Besides: if one wishes to be technical about things------France owned Mexico after 1848.
Another part of Mexico that 'got away' was Guatemala------yet, Mx does not seem to want that land back.
Strictly speaking, Mx has only been independent since 1867.
Sir Francis Drake claimed California for England before the Spaniards knew California existed. You could say Spain stole California and whatever portion of that area that Drake claimed from England.
We mugged Mexico, put in a US controlled regime and then settled with it. Could really not have been more criminal. The Pres intended to absorb Mexico into the US and almost pulled it off. Might have been a good thing if he had done it. But he got outmanuevred at the end and could not pull it off.
But that was a long time ago...the area has morphed into something entirely different and is not going back to Mexico ever...No not ever.
So why not drop the nonsense?
Then you have to say that Mexico mugged (broke away from) Spain who mugged the original natives.
Sir Francis Drake claimed California for England before the Spaniards knew California existed. You could say Spain stole California and whatever portion of that area that Drake claimed from England.
Yes.
Post 1867 Mexico's claims against our Southwest are spurious at best.
That stated: once the Mexican 'leaders' quit whining over long ago history------they can help build their country from a junk heap into a First World powerhouse.
The Irish did it
The Spanish did it.
The Italians did it.
Portugal is well on its way to affluence.
All four examples occurred in just the last 50 odd years------and, all are nominally 'Catholic' like Mexico.
Sir Francis Drake claimed California for England before the Spaniards knew California existed. You could say Spain stole California and whatever portion of that area that Drake claimed from England.
The Russians, as well, claimed California (google "Fort Ross"), built a few things here, harvested seals on the Channel Islands, etc. operating out of their base at Sitka, Alaska..i.e., "Russian America". Ever hear of the Russian River? (N. Calif.)...they once were here...
I believe Drake named California "New Albion"....and "Drakes Bay" is named for him..
I concur. We took this country fair and square. The Aztlan area would not be twice as great as it is if it belonged to Mexico. Probably just a string of missions and dumpy shacks like the rest of Mexico. Then we would have a border crisis in Oklahoma and Wyoming instead of Arizona and California.
We fought for Texas and we won Texas. Mexicans need to let it go. They lost the fight. What the hell is wrong with you people. Hispanic Americans helped fight to win Texas as an independent state so whatever. and another thing Hispanic Americans have a tendency to forget that they are not Mexican but American. What’s up with that? sorry for getting a little of topic.
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If if were not the White Euros; the group that could have subjugated the New World could have been the Japanese----------or, even the Chinese.
Hell; had the Aztecs and/or Incas taken a different path in history----------they might have gone to Europe, Africa, etc. instead of being defeated by the Spanish.
HAHAHA, yeah right to that second part. There is virtually no difference intellectually/intelligence-wise, between the native peoples you see today (the native Amerindians/Mestizos of the Americas) and their primitive ancestors. The native Amerindian and Mestizos are a 1300 AD agrarian society at best. This is where the bulk of the "culture clash" comes from - the mentalities, thoughts, ideas of these peoples are quite primitive. Not saying they lack mental capacity or ability, but rather, it is the lack of education, illiteracy, and the disregard of the importance of education, which keeps them in this "peon" state.
To even suggest the slightest possibility that any one of the various uncivilized tribes of the Americas would have been capable of crossing the Atlantic, with virtually no islands to hop across as with the Pacific, is absurd.
Perhaps they would have been able to, given another 2,000 or so years of development. Even if they could with their primitive canoes, to what purpose? Are you suggesting they could take on any of the European fleets with blow darts, spears, and bows and arrows?
Why not? My ancestors, the Vikings, were in North America around 1000 AD. Maybe if those of us of Scandinavian descent rise up and DEMAND the return of our lands I could get some nice waterfront property on Long Island or something.
Nope, not Long Island. But waterfront property in Nova Scotia/Newfoundland, definitely. Maybe some in Maine as well, but that would be the best you could hope for, LOL. You should get some petitions going at the UN, or maybe the Hague.
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