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RedNC, very simple, when you need to support yourself and your family, you will take drastic measures to fulfill your obligation. This is not satisfying a personal need or desire as you stated, but rather a "must" responsiblity. You become less concerned about breaking the law, and more concerned about your personal responsibility as a human. Thank you for being respectful.
This kind of logic is extremely unsettling.
To think that there are people like you that are able to justify breaking laws by saying that their needs are more important than abiding by the law is really unbelievable.
What kind of society will we be living in if everyone believed that laws don’t apply to them if their personal obligations or needs are more important?
This kind of logic is extremely unsettling.
To think that there are people like you that are able to justify breaking laws by saying that their needs are more important than abiding by the law is really unbelievable.
What kind of society will we be living in if everyone believed that laws don’t apply to them if their personal obligations or needs are more important?
That kind of thinking will just open up so many doors to the criminals. Really scary.
I will start this off by saying I have worked in the construction industry for the past seven years as a Land Surveyor. When I first got into this line of work at 18 the majority of the framing crews on job sites were white and white owned. The majority of the concrete and brick crews were black and black owned. That is the way it was so please do not take what i say as being racist...it will just show your ignorance. As I sit and write this today I have not seen a white framing crew or black concrete/brick crews in atleast 3 years. The work is being done by illegal Mexicans. The thing you people that make that comment " Their doing work Americans wont do" do not understand is that illegal mexicans are stealing these jobs from Americans. The illegal Mexican will do these jobs for alot less. The builder hire's the Mexican because it cost's the builder less but at the same time the builders profit goes up. The builder does not pass that saving's onto his customer. Take your cable provider...they hire company's who employ mostly mexicans to bury the cable underground. Does your cable bill go down...NO it does not. I have no problem with people or companys making money. The problem I have is the way it is done. Most of the illegal Mexicans I have seen live 10-20 if not more to a house/trailer/apt. and thats why they do the job for less. Do the illegal mexicans have a better life here in the U.S...Yes they do. What I cannot understand is why the Mexicans want to change are way of life and force this country into a third world nation. Thats exactly what is in are future. The Mexicans should stand up to their own corrupt government and force them to change their ways. I for one think that the illegals are cowards for not standing up and holding the politicians in Mexico accountable for the way life is in Mexico.
It all comes down to NAFTA. That is what are turn coat politicians want. The Mexiticians(as I call them) will not stop the invasion of this country. The politicians of today are in it for themselves and for their family's. They are trying to get the most of what they can while thier in office. They do not care about us(FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE POEPLE). Democrat and Republican are the SAME they just go about bsing us in different ways(There are a few exceptions but not many). I give you the deffinition of tyrant/tyranny...
...A tyrant (Latin tyrannus, from Greek τύραννος tyrannos) possesses absolute power through the people in a state or in an organization: one refers to this mode of rule as a tyranny. In ancient Greece, tyrants were generally aristocrats who had gained power over the others by getting the support of the poor people by giving them land, freeing them from servitude or slavery. The word "tyrant" carried no ethical censure; it simply referred to anyone who overturned the established government of a city-state (usually through the use of popular support) to establish himself as dictator, or to the heir of such a person. Support for the tyrants came from the growing class of business people and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners. It is true that they had no legal right to rule, but the people preferred them over kings or the aristocrats. The Greek tyrants stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city state.[1]
"getting the support of the poor people by giving them land, freeing them from servitude or slavery"....Getting the support of the poor illegal mexican by giving them amnesty is how I see that.
"Support for the tyrants came from the growing class of business people and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners".... Support for tyrants came from business people who gain by employing illegals and from illegals who are in debt to the tyrant for granting them amnesty is how I see that.
"stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city state".... stayed in power by using peasant soldiers from mexico to make the vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens mean nothing and force this nation into a tyrannical and socialist society.
Think about it people...We have the right to vote but if are vote is outnumbered it means nothing. The vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens means less and less every election year.
I will start this off by saying I have worked in the construction industry for the past seven years as a Land Surveyor. When I first got into this line of work at 18 the majority of the framing crews on job sites were white and white owned. The majority of the concrete and brick crews were black and black owned. That is the way it was so please do not take what i say as being racist...it will just show your ignorance. As I sit and write this today I have not seen a white framing crew or black concrete/brick crews in atleast 3 years. The work is being done by illegal Mexicans. The thing you people that make that comment " Their doing work Americans wont do" do not understand is that illegal mexicans are stealing these jobs from Americans. The illegal Mexican will do these jobs for alot less. The builder hire's the Mexican because it cost's the builder less but at the same time the builders profit goes up. The builder does not pass that saving's onto his customer. Take your cable provider...they hire company's who employ mostly mexicans to bury the cable underground. Does your cable bill go down...NO it does not. I have no problem with people or companys making money. The problem I have is the way it is done. Most of the illegal Mexicans I have seen live 10-20 if not more to a house/trailer/apt. and thats why they do the job for less. Do the illegal mexicans have a better life here in the U.S...Yes they do. What I cannot understand is why the Mexicans want to change are way of life and force this country into a third world nation. Thats exactly what is in are future. The Mexicans should stand up to their own corrupt government and force them to change their ways. I for one think that the illegals are cowards for not standing up and holding the politicians in Mexico accountable for the way life is in Mexico.
It all comes down to NAFTA. That is what are turn coat politicians want. The Mexiticians(as I call them) will not stop the invasion of this country. The politicians of today are in it for themselves and for their family's. They are trying to get the most of what they can while thier in office. They do not care about us(FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE POEPLE). Democrat and Republican are the SAME they just go about bsing us in different ways(There are a few exceptions but not many). I give you the deffinition of tyrant/tyranny...
"getting the support of the poor people by giving them land, freeing them from servitude or slavery"....Getting the support of the poor illegal mexican by giving them amnesty is how I see that.
"Support for the tyrants came from the growing class of business people and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners".... Support for tyrants came from business people who gain by employing illegals and from illegals who are in debt to the tyrant for granting them amnesty is how I see that.
"stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city state".... stayed in power by using peasant soldiers from mexico to make the vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens mean nothing.
Think about it people...We have the right to vote but if are vote is outnumbered it means nothing. The vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens means less and less every election year.
Many good points here. One thing you left out here is how one judges’ ruling can silence the majorities vote. Just look at Prop 187 in CA. It passed by over 67% and one judge stopped it.
Well I'm new here, and I don't know how the whole conversation around here works. I'm actually looking to get out of Canada and go stay on a horse ranch and work. Experience, cow tipping and all! Just kidding. I need a change and a new look on life. If anyone knows how I get achieve this I guess "post me!?" I work hard at whatever I do as long as I love what I do! A dream is never to late to happen right?!!!!
You can love our country, freedoms, rights, family, religion, and whatever else, but what good comes of you continually disrespecting an entire group of people? And not just calling INS whenever you see them on the corner, but sitting in a forum and complaining about their culture, their family values, and their work ethic? What does that solve? If anything, it stirs up those that already have negative prejudice within them and creates more animosity, more unwarranted hatred.
There is a difference between being against illegal immigration and the stance that many on this forum take. I feel that illegal immigration is a demeaning act because I come from a family of legal, recent immigrants. However, I don't feel it necessary to look down upon these people or go out of my way to berate them. It doesn't solve anything. Call the police, call INS, write your congressmen and senators, but don't reduce their existence to the level of livestock or parasites.
P.S. I don't know if you caught an earlier post of mine, but I suggested that it may do some posters well to befriend an illegal immigrant or two in order to get a glimpse into their point of view. You know, before you jump the gun to call INS.
Americans are also poor and starving, but yet you don't see them going around demanding free things and expecting everyone to feel sorry for them!
Secondly, no one has time to learn spanish just to talk to some illegal, if they don't want to friend me than why waste my time trying to friend someone who is here illegally! keyword "ILLEGALLY" you know, that word means there here when there not suppose to be, so basically there a criminal, so why don't you go out and friend robbers and child molestors while your at it.
I will start this off by saying I have worked in the construction industry for the past seven years as a Land Surveyor. When I first got into this line of work at 18 the majority of the framing crews on job sites were white and white owned. The majority of the concrete and brick crews were black and black owned. That is the way it was so please do not take what i say as being racist...it will just show your ignorance. As I sit and write this today I have not seen a white framing crew or black concrete/brick crews in atleast 3 years. The work is being done by illegal Mexicans. The thing you people that make that comment " Their doing work Americans wont do" do not understand is that illegal mexicans are stealing these jobs from Americans. The illegal Mexican will do these jobs for alot less. The builder hire's the Mexican because it cost's the builder less but at the same time the builders profit goes up. The builder does not pass that saving's onto his customer. Take your cable provider...they hire company's who employ mostly mexicans to bury the cable underground. Does your cable bill go down...NO it does not. I have no problem with people or companys making money. The problem I have is the way it is done. Most of the illegal Mexicans I have seen live 10-20 if not more to a house/trailer/apt. and thats why they do the job for less. Do the illegal mexicans have a better life here in the U.S...Yes they do. What I cannot understand is why the Mexicans want to change are way of life and force this country into a third world nation. Thats exactly what is in are future. The Mexicans should stand up to their own corrupt government and force them to change their ways. I for one think that the illegals are cowards for not standing up and holding the politicians in Mexico accountable for the way life is in Mexico.
It all comes down to NAFTA. That is what are turn coat politicians want. The Mexiticians(as I call them) will not stop the invasion of this country. The politicians of today are in it for themselves and for their family's. They are trying to get the most of what they can while thier in office. They do not care about us(FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE POEPLE). Democrat and Republican are the SAME they just go about bsing us in different ways(There are a few exceptions but not many). I give you the deffinition of tyrant/tyranny...
...A tyrant (Latin tyrannus, from Greek τύραννος tyrannos) possesses absolute power through the people in a state or in an organization: one refers to this mode of rule as a tyranny. In ancient Greece, tyrants were generally aristocrats who had gained power over the others by getting the support of the poor people by giving them land, freeing them from servitude or slavery. The word "tyrant" carried no ethical censure; it simply referred to anyone who overturned the established government of a city-state (usually through the use of popular support) to establish himself as dictator, or to the heir of such a person. Support for the tyrants came from the growing class of business people and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners. It is true that they had no legal right to rule, but the people preferred them over kings or the aristocrats. The Greek tyrants stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city state.[1]
"getting the support of the poor people by giving them land, freeing them from servitude or slavery"....Getting the support of the poor illegal mexican by giving them amnesty is how I see that.
"Support for the tyrants came from the growing class of business people and from the peasants who had no land or were in debt to the wealthy land owners".... Support for tyrants came from business people who gain by employing illegals and from illegals who are in debt to the tyrant for granting them amnesty is how I see that.
"stayed in power by using mercenary soldiers from outside of their respective city state".... stayed in power by using peasant soldiers from mexico to make the vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens mean nothing and force this nation into a tyrannical and socialist society.
Think about it people...We have the right to vote but if are vote is outnumbered it means nothing. The vote cast by true and legal U.S. citizens means less and less every election year.
My husband was one of those framers, all white crews, just the way it was. Well we also owned our own framing company but had to close it down once the other companies started hiring the illegals. We just wouldnt do it and couldnt compete. My husband is still in construction, we have lived in 4 states, he say he hasnt seen a white framer in years. Sad.
RedNC, very simple, when you need to support yourself and your family, you will take drastic measures to fulfill your obligation. This is not satisfying a personal need or desire as you stated, but rather a "must" responsiblity. You become less concerned about breaking the law, and more concerned about your personal responsibility as a human. Thank you for being respectful.
RedNC, I clearly stated under what conditions illegal immigrants would feel it's time to cross the border above. There are certain drastic measures where the law of crossing the border has little importance.
Americans are also poor and starving, but yet you don't see them going around demanding free things and expecting everyone to feel sorry for them!
Secondly, no one has time to learn spanish just to talk to some illegal, if they don't want to friend me than why waste my time trying to friend someone who is here illegally! keyword "ILLEGALLY" you know, that word means there here when there not suppose to be, so basically there a criminal, so why don't you go out and friend robbers and child molestors while your at it.
You don't have time to learn Spanish because you're obviously preoccupied with ignoring lessons on proper grammar usage in your native language. I'm certain that would stop any foreign language learner.
And I think I've already pointed out your flawed logic that originates and is left behind in grade school-- he's (seemingly) not nice to me, why should I be nice to him?
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