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Old 02-12-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Would the more correct answer be "depends on who you ask?"
No.

 
Old 02-12-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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I sure thought I did as I also addressed the prior post from the same person, but if not, just what question or comment would you like addressed? You should need even fewer words to make your request clear. Right?
Wrong, as usual. What makes you think that I would like you to address anything? I merely noted that you didn't appear to address the comment you quoted. In this case, I don't think that appearances were deceiving.
 
Old 02-12-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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Doesn't sound like a retail 24/7 job to me, and I don't know if you speak for all Jews, but hard for me to believe the challenge of observing the Sabbath is "not difficult at all" for all Jews, particularly those with employment that includes working on the Sabbath, not to mention some of the others forms of abstinence that are not observed by a few Jews I happen to know personally. Again it seems a matter of personal choice in any case. We can all justify as we will with the "no harm no foul" rationale...
Yea, well, I did say “I” And not “we”...The civil rights act of 1964 title VII helps...
 
Old 02-12-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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Could be wrong, but I suspect he means we can also always define "work" in whatever way we like in order to comply -- as far as we are concerned personally -- with the "rules" of the Sabbath.

"Love what you do, and you will never work a day in your life" sort of thing. Another way people can always rationalize whatever they like in any case...
I am sure that he was talking about melachot...
 
Old 02-13-2018, 03:00 AM
 
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Could be wrong...
And you are.

The Torah lists the actions that are prohibited on Shabbat and festivals with work restrictions.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Wrong, as usual. What makes you think that I would like you to address anything? I merely noted that you didn't appear to address the comment you quoted. In this case, I don't think that appearances were deceiving.
Sure seems to me your comment #4506 reads otherwise, and if anyone is "wrong, as usual," again it isn't me...

However, again, I highly recommend you never mind.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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Yea, well, I did say “I” And not “we”...The civil rights act of 1964 title VII helps...
Fair enough, but of course I was not referring to just you. Also fair?

PS: civil rights act does not help someone with an employer that needs people to work on Saturdays, and again I'm not referring to just you but anyone needing a job in retail, like I did when I wore a younger man's clothes. I didn't want to work weekends either, but that was because of my personal reasons. I did anyway. Had to.

Last edited by LearnMe; 02-13-2018 at 09:58 AM..
 
Old 02-13-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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And you are.

The Torah lists the actions that are prohibited on Shabbat and festivals with work restrictions.
It’s typical for non Jews to misunderstand what the Torah requires of a Jew on Shabbos. Non Jews have no access to the Oral Torah (Talmud) which explains what’s written in the Torah itself.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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I am sure that he was talking about melachot...
Another something learned today, and oh my I would have never guessed...

No tying or untying a knot?

Hard not to question that one along with a few others, but of course I have also learned that such questions are not permissible. That's very challenging for people with "inquiring minds" (as Shunamit might put it)...
 
Old 02-13-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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It’s typical for non Jews to misunderstand what the Torah requires of a Jew on Shabbos. Non Jews have no access to the Oral Torah (Talmud) which explains what’s written in the Torah itself.
Fair enough, but just curious if I may...

Is the misunderstanding something that can be corrected without an "ask no questions" policy, and/or is the misunderstanding any different to what a nonMormon may not be able to understand about Mormonism? What a Buddhist may not understand about Catholicism? I'm of the opinion that misunderstanding is something worthwhile to minimize if not eliminate altogether, so I ask...
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