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Old 04-24-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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If the American Jewish community is becoming more Orthodox, perhaps it is because of a desire to draw close to Hashem.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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The data in the Pew Report indicates the non Observant Jewish world already has one foot out the door and is at most 2-3 generations away from extinction. This follows a general pattern of the last 2,000 years - each time a group of Jews seeks to replace Torah with an alternative form of practice, they never survive (Saduccees, Karaites, etc).

However, only G-d decides if they will merit to continue to exist, so although the data is convincing, it's not the final word. FWIW, I'm rooting for these non Torah Jews to survive. I think they add a lot to our culture as a people.
I thought that you rely on the Talmud and not the ToRaH?...
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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with whatever "growing" numbers coming only from their acceptance of non-Jewish members as full-fledged members of their congregations.
How did the Hebrews become Jewish?...
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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fwiw, you can't call them lies if the only education they have, is only from their community and are frum from birth. Their views will not be the same as people more worldly educated as yours. This is different than Ba'al Teshuvas who have worldly knowledge and deny their existence to make themselves sound like a frum from birth.
Wait...Who's Ba'al Teshuvas?...TFF or IWIW?...
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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it looks like that is the current trend.

nothing new. jews who leave judaism eventually disappear into the gentile population. you can see this already in france.
My ancestors left...I'm coming back...Only disappeared for about 2 or 3 generations...
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:35 AM
 
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If the American Jewish community is becoming more Orthodox, perhaps it is because of a desire to draw close to Hashem.
Agreed...
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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wait...who's ba'al teshuvas?...tff or iwiw?...
tff
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Old 04-24-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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A yid is a yid. ....
Not per the Ultra Orthodox nor the Haredim. They think they are the only Jews, everyone else are not.

Haredim Assault IDF Officer in Jerusalem - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva
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The soldier's mother, Yael, told Ynet that the attackers were dozens of adults and children, who had tried to physically hurt the officer. "He was driving in his car, which is an armour protected vehicle because we live in Kiryat Arba – and when he was assaulted, he tried to flee the area," she said.

"However, the children laid down on the road and prevented him from driving. They threw stones at him, and his windshield got shattered. After a few minutes he managed to escape by the skin of his teeth."
When one trains their children to attack fellow Jews, WE know what they think the rest of us are.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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Not per the Ultra Orthodox nor the Haredim. They think they are the only Jews, everyone else are not.

Haredim Assault IDF Officer in Jerusalem - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva
Ultra-Orthodox Jews attack IDF officer - Israel News, Ynetnews


When one trains their children to attack fellow Jews, WE know what they think the rest of us are.
An armor protected vehicle got a shattered window???...
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Old 04-24-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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As a Muslim I really enjoy the ultra orthodox community. I respect their adherence to what Allah (swt) has sent down to them. They are also typically weary of the political State of Israel and have even agreed that they would have more rights to practice and implement their religion in a Shari'a led state than Israel itself!
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