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What I have been told by people personally, they give them $$$-$$$$!!!
Yes in Israel they qualified for 90% discount in city taxes in most of their communities so this is making it difficult for the municipality to build public facilities or fund services in those areas
Funny "proof." It says 70% (those Chareidim that do not work) of the 10% of the Israeli population that is Chareidim. And divided by another 50% (as Chareidi women do work)... That means 3.5% of the Israeli population is non working Chareidim.
That warrants exactly what? I would bet more than 3.5% of the Israeli population is non working secular women with working husbands. Why no articles on them? Could it be that criticizing the Chareidim in Israel is just another insidious form of Jewish self-hatred?
it makes perfect sense to have Torah scholars who pray and study full time; and to have working class support them. Both are needed, both are valuable, both are necessary. They work in partnership for the good of k'lal Yisrael and for the good of the world. We know this from the tribes of Issachar and Zebulun.
"Issachar is the scholar. Scholarship provides wisdom, clarity and direction. It is the foundation of any system. Issachar is the dedication to immerse in study and education.
"Zebulun is the merchant, the businessperson personality. His role is to enter the marketplace and redeem the Divine sparks within the material world. Zebulun complements Issachar; they forge a partnership: Zebulun supports the scholar, he funds houses of scholarship, which earns him a right to partake in the reward of Issachar’s studies."
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also it is a very big mitzvah to give tzedakah to Torah scholars. Particularly for those of us Jews in the Diaspora, it is how we bind ourselves to the Holy Land and to Eretz Israel. i am happy to send 70% of my tzedakah to Israel, and 30% to my shul here in the states. Torah scholars bring peace to the world:
Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina: Torah scholars increase peace in the world, for it is said (Isaiah 54, 13): And all your children shall be learners of the Torah of the Lord, and great will be the peace of your children … Those who love Your Torah have abundant peace, and there is no stumbling for them (Psalms 119, 165).
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Funny "proof." It says 70% (those Chareidim that do not work) of the 10% of the Israeli population that is Chareidim. And divided by another 50% (as Chareidi women do work)... That means 3.5% of the Israeli population is non working Chareidim.
That warrants exactly what? I would bet more than 3.5% of the Israeli population is non working secular women with working husbands. Why no articles on them? Could it be that criticizing the Chareidim in Israel is just another insidious form of Jewish self-hatred?
Ultra-Orthodox make up 10% of Israel population yet more than 50% of working age men don't have a job and don't want one instead preferring to spend their days in the seminary. The cities they live in are some of the poorest in the country all because of this. This is why I posted about how in a lot of the cities most qualify for a 90 percent discount in city taxes thus not leaving much for those cities to do much of anything else. The percent of unemployed non-Haredi jews is much lower. Why would there need to be an article about secular unemployment when most are working and aren't causing issues. That is not self-hatred, that is pure facts
Ultra-Orthodox make up 10% of Israel population yet more than 50% of working age men don't have a job and don't want one instead preferring to spend their days in the seminary. The cities they live in are some of the poorest in the country all because of this. This is why I posted about how in a lot of the cities most qualify for a 90 percent discount in city taxes thus not leaving much for those cities to do much of anything else. The percent of unemployed non-Haredi jews is much lower. Why would there need to be an article about secular unemployment when most are working and aren't causing issues. That is not self-hatred, that is pure facts
So according to your numbers, the non working chareidi men only make up 2.5% of the entire population of Israel. I'm struggling to understand the problem. I bet there are more than 2.5% of left handed men in Israel who don't work either, but there isn't a ground swell of hateful articles written about left handed Jews with the chutzpah to not work.
So according to your numbers, the non working chareidi men only make up 2.5% of the entire population of Israel. I'm struggling to understand the problem. I bet there are more than 2.5% of left handed men in Israel who don't work either, but there isn't a ground swell of hateful articles written about left handed Jews with the chutzpah to not work.
They are not my numbers. They are government numbers and they are facts. Obviously you don't see the problem when you have a segment of a population that refuse to work and depend on handouts,social services, government welfare programs just to provide for their own family. They are hurting the economy and that money has to come from somewhere. You can call it hateful all you like but it won't change the facts on how they are hurting the economy
So according to your numbers, the non working chareidi men only make up 2.5% of the entire population of Israel. I'm struggling to understand the problem. I bet there are more than 2.5% of left handed men in Israel who don't work either, but there isn't a ground swell of hateful articles written about left handed Jews with the chutzpah to not work.
Stop acting like a Troll and using fuzzy mathematics. You know exactly what he's stating. Women are being forced to work, take care of children and basically do everything else while males sit back and read books. Most adult males as a percentage of their group do not work. Stop trying to dilute the numbers by using the entire country to make your fuzzy mathematics sound better.
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