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Old 04-24-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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But you know everything...I tried to do a background search but came up empty...Thought you could find something...
The one cent search is that he is a Messianic.

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This question does not belong in this thread and is better suited to be in the Ask a Jew thread.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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My western pals, huh? I don't need a history lesson of the past. The question is based on the present. And while you're considering a response from Texas, I am a Mizrahi who is fluent in Levant Arabic and lives within the Arab countries of the Middle East for than half of each year.

Your original statement was in relation to Shari'a. Not in relation to Shi'a or Sunni views of Islam.
Hope I don't take this off topic. But the Shariah of Sunni and Shi'a do differ.
Sunni Sharia is based upon one of 4 madhabs Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanafi or Hambali the Sharia of Iran is based upon Jafa'ari they are 2 different legal systems.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Hope I don't take this off topic. But the Shariah of Sunni and Shi'a do differ.
Sunni Sharia is based upon one of 4 madhabs Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanafi or Hambali the Sharia of Iran is based upon Jafa'ari they are 2 different legal systems.
As I know the difference between the two, he stated:

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As a Muslim I really enjoy the ultra orthodox community. I respect their adherence to what Allah (swt) has sent down to them. They are also typically weary of the political State of Israel and have even agreed that they would have more rights to practice and implement their religion in a Shari'a led state than Israel itself!
And the question to him was basically in what current Shari'a led state can Jews openly pray. In Israel a Muslim can openly pray in public in nearly 99% of the country.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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As I know the difference between the two, he stated:



And the question to him was basically in what current Shari'a led state can Jews openly pray. In Israel a Muslim can openly pray in public in nearly 99% of the country.

It is a bit hypothetical as today no sunni Nation is under Sharia, although Saudi claims to be, they are following the laws of the monarchy and not one of the Madhabs of Islamic Jurisprudence.
Oddly in terms of Sharia civil law the West bank comes closer than Saudi or Iran at least in Ramallah


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Old 04-24-2015, 09:55 PM
 
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It is a bit hypothetical as today no sunni Nation is under Sharia, although Saudi claims to be, they are following the laws of the monarchy and not one of the Madhabs of Islamic Jurisprudence. Oddly in terms of Sharia civil law the West Bank comes closer than Saudi or Iran at least in Ramallah


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OK, I'll go with that for the moment. Looking at Jerusalem without the politics currently connected to it, What happen's when a Jew attempts to openly pray on the Temple Mount?
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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OK, I'll go with that for the moment. Looking at Jerusalem without the politics currently connected to it, What happen's when a Jew attempts to openly pray on the Temple Mount?
Is that the result of Sharia or of Palestinian/Israeli friction?
I think it has more to do because of the strained relations, not sharia
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:39 PM
 
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Is that the result of Sharia or of Palestinian/Israeli friction?
I think it has more to do because of the strained relations, not sharia
I'm not going to make it that easy. Take some time to research it and we'll discuss it tomorrow. A thing to think about while you're looking into it as how many non-muslims can even get close to Mecca in SA.
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:47 AM
 
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The one cent search is that he is a Messianic.

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This question does not belong in this thread and is better suited to be in the Ask a Jew thread.
The reason I ask is that someone keeps throwing him up as proof...
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Old 04-25-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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I'm not going to make it that easy. Take some time to research it and we'll discuss it tomorrow. A thing to think about while you're looking into it as how many non-muslims can even get close to Mecca in SA.
Take a step back. Under the Ottoman Caliphate, Jews were allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. In fact that has been a practice put in place since our Caliph Omar (ra) conquered Al-Quds and opened up the mount for Jewish prayers for the first time in centuries as the Romans and Christians had banned the Jews from doing so. The current state of wanting them off the Temple Mount is intention... These Jews want to rebuild Solomon's temple and destroy Al-Aqsa... There will be resistance to this.

I'm not sure if you caught our drift earlier but there is no Shari'a led state, none. There's dictatorships, monarchies, various forms of tyrants and in some parts true anarchism. However if in theory there was a Shari'a led state, Jews would have more rights to practice their religion than in Israel itself.
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Old 04-25-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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As a Reform Jew, I hate the ult orthodox community they are not real Jews. I have more respect for Muslims than them.
I'm curious... What makes them fall out of the fold of Judaism in your opinion?
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