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Old 01-28-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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Let THIS sink in:

Every year 107 children will be killed in Britain while crossing the road.

Maybe Britain shouldn't have roads. Or cars.
Well, since you brought that one up, "Every year 107 children in Britain will be killed crossing the road....(the antivax argument would be...)So lets remove sidewalks, street lights and crossing guards!"

 
Old 01-28-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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They will also homeschool their kids to avoid vaccination. I have seen that also.
I wish that was the case with all anti-vax kids.
 
Old 01-28-2015, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The figure in the NHL was at least 15. "Some"? Breastmilk gives anitbodies from the mother after birth for at least 6 MONTHS. Look up your own science on that. BTW, before you were probably born, OB used to automatically give pregnant women a blood draw to see exactly what antibodies she had. Today it is vaccinate automatically. Testing is far too much trouble today. Easier to just vax automatically. I am SURE as a health professional you do know that a blood draw can determine antibodies to disease. Of course, DON'T mention that one when the key is to vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
The only antibody test traditionally done for pregnant women prior to 1948 was for antibodies to the Rh factor in Rh negative women. Mothers are now tested for antibodies to rubella and offered the vaccine after they deliver if they are not immune. Ideally, the test should be done before conception, and a test for antibodies to chickenpox is also a good idea. Neither rubella vaccine nor chickenpox vaccine is given during pregnancy because they contain "live" virus. Antibody testing for those two was not done until there were vaccines available to offer women who test negative. Since the vaccines for rubella and chickenpox cannot be given during pregnancy, they can protect not the current pregnancy but future babies.

Rubella during pregnancy can cause severe birth defects:

Congenital rubella syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chickenpox in pregnancy can cause serious illness in the mother and birth defects in the baby:

CDC - Chickenpox and Pregnancy, Infections

Pregnant women also should take flu vaccine if they are pregnant during flu season and should take a whooping cough booster during each pregnancy in order to increase the antibodies transferred to the baby at birth and by breast feeding. Those antibodies actually have to be present for them to be transferred to a baby. A woman who has not been vaccinated and who never had a disease cannot provide antibodies to that disease to her baby.

Flu in pregnancy can cause serious illness in the mother and complications for the baby, including preterm birth:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/pdf/freeresou..._factsheet.pdf


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Diseases don't just magically go away when everyone is vaccinated.

And there is still no proof that an unvaccinated child is a danger to a VACCINATED child.
Smallpox went away because of vaccination, though it was due to hard work, not magic.

Not every vaccinated child is protected by the vaccine. So, yes, an unvaccinated child can be a danger to a vaccinated one. Unvaccinated children are also a danger to other unvaccinated children, including infants too young for vaccines and those with medical conditions that prevent them from taking vaccines, such as cancer.

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Steve Jobs is a Muslim Dead Beat Dad who did not believe in modern medicine. He was a kook.
Jobs took up Buddhism. Are you aware there is a difference between Buddhism and Islam?

I agree he was a kook. It's been speculated that he had Asperger's syndrome.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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Arizona Tries to Contain Measles Outbreak Days Before Super Bowl

The spread of the outbreak has been made worse, in part, by a growing failure to vaccinate. Arizona allows vaccination exemptions for children entering public schools for religious reasons as well as what’s known as a philosophical exemption, where parents can choose not to vaccinate and still send their children to school.

Arizona Tries to Contain Measles Outbreak Days Before Super Bowl - Bloomberg Business
 
Old 01-29-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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Jobs took up Buddhism. Are you aware there is a difference between Buddhism and Islam?

I agree he was a kook. It's been speculated that he had Asperger's syndrome.[/quote]

Abdul Fattah Jandali, a young Syrian Muslim is Steve Jobs real dad. Therefore he is Muslim
 
Old 01-29-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Abdul Fattah Jandali, a young Syrian Muslim is Steve Jobs real dad. Therefore he is Muslim
It's hysterical how you think being a "Muslim" is the same as being Greek, Italian, or Irish.

Also hysterical is how this isn't even in the top 5 of the most ridiculous things you've said here.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 10:44 AM
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Jobs took up Buddhism. Are you aware there is a difference between Buddhism and Islam?

I agree he was a kook. It's been speculated that he had Asperger's syndrome.
Abdul Fattah Jandali, a young Syrian Muslim is Steve Jobs real dad. Therefore he is Muslim[/quote]


Dude, religion is not genetically determined. Its voluntary.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 10:45 AM
 
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You obviously read the Dahl quote wrong. It wasn't that 20 children die from the measels, it was that 20 children die each year from complications of the vaccine. He was making a point that the vaccine is much safer than British parents at the time thought it was.
No, he said 20 children died of measles, but only 1 child in 250 years died of complications from the vaccine.

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Every year around 20 children will die in Britain from measles.

So what about the risks that your children will run from being immunised?

They are almost non-existent. Listen to this. In a district of around 300,000 people, there will be only one child every 250 years who will develop serious side effects from measles immunisation! That is about a million to one chance. I should think there would be more chance of your child choking to death on a chocolate bar than of becoming seriously ill from a measles immunisation.
RoaldDahlFans.com - Articles/Interviews - "MEASLES: A Dangerous Illness"

I am not sure what the numbers are today, it was 30 years ago that he wrote that. But I think the relative risks are accurate comparing measles vs. vaccination.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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The way most become Muslims is by birth. If one is born of Muslim parents, or even if only one's father is a Muslim, he automatically becomes a Muslim. It has nothing to do with the mother.

Steve Jobs Dad was a Muslim and accordingly is automatically one and there is no way to undo it.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Abdul Fattah Jandali, a young Syrian Muslim is Steve Jobs real dad. Therefore he is Muslim
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Originally Posted by SandyJet View Post
The way most become Muslims is by birth. If one is born of Muslim parents, or even if only one's father is a Muslim, he automatically becomes a Muslim. It has nothing to do with the mother.

Steve Jobs Dad was a Muslim and accordingly is automatically one and there is no way to undo it.
Islam does teach that if you are born to a Muslim parent - mother or father - you are Muslim. In some countries, rejecting Islam if you are born into it can get you killed for apostasy.

In the US, we believe one gets to choose his own religion. Jobs never knew his biological father until he was an adult and never practiced Islam.

If you personally believe he was a Muslim because his father was, we may assume you believe in the teachings of Islam yourself.

This is off topic. If you wish to discuss it further, there is a forum on Islam here on CD where people would be interested in providing you with information about it.
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