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Old 01-29-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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Islam does teach that if you are born to a Muslim parent - mother or father - you are Muslim. In some countries, rejecting Islam if you are born into it can get you killed for apostasy.

In the US, we believe one gets to choose his own religion. Jobs never knew his biological father until he was an adult and never practiced Islam.

If you personally believe he was a Muslim because his father was, we may assume you believe in the teachings of Islam yourself.

This is off topic. If you wish to discuss it further, there is a forum on Islam here on CD where people would be interested in providing you with information about it.
Lets get back to the topic. Just stating the facts it is not a discussion.

 
Old 01-29-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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The way most become Muslims is by birth. If one is born of Muslim parents, or even if only one's father is a Muslim, he automatically becomes a Muslim. It has nothing to do with the mother.

Steve Jobs Dad was a Muslim and accordingly is automatically one and there is no way to undo it.
bahahahaha. What a bunch of garbage. Where do you come up with this crap?
 
Old 01-29-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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A 5 year old girl in Las Vegas has just died from the same strain of Flu she was just vaccinated with. I am sure the parents want to sue..but can't because the stupid gov't grants the vaccine companies with immunity. So sorry for this little girl & her family.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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A 5 year old girl in Las Vegas has just died from the same strain of Flu she was just vaccinated with. I am sure the parents want to sue..but can't because the stupid gov't grants the vaccine companies with immunity. So sorry for this little girl & her family.
The vaccine did not give her flu. It cannot. the virus in a flu shot is "dead" - inactivated. it cannot reproduce and cause illness.

The vaccine did not work, something that no one who understands vaccine denies can happen. Historically, 90% of children who die from flu were not vaccinated.

5-Year-Old Girl Dies After Catching the Flu, Even After Getting Vaccine - ABC News

Kiera died from the flu, not from the vaccine, and the article does not imply that the vaccine was at fault.

"Driscoll [Kiera's dad] told ABC News that Kiera got a flu shot, and they still want other parents to vaccinate their children.

'Vaccines help save lives, and they help keep other people from getting infected as well,' he said. 'We always want people to be vaccinated.' "
 
Old 01-29-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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Like I sai exactly she died form same strain she was vaccinated against..so say what you will. Period. Useless vaccines!! Especially the flu vaccines..they are just a money makes that is it.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Like I sai exactly she died form same strain she was vaccinated against..so say what you will. Period. Useless vaccines!! Especially the flu vaccines..they are just a money makes that is it.
We just ignore all the people who took the same vaccine and did not get sick, eh?
 
Old 01-30-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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We just ignore all the people who took the same vaccine and did not get sick, eh?
Yeah, the millions of people who were protected don't count; this one arbitrary case does, though.
 
Old 01-30-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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Like I sai exactly she died form same strain she was vaccinated against..so say what you will. Period. Useless vaccines!! Especially the flu vaccines..they are just a money makes that is it.
Let me see if I can grasp the logic here... you claim that vaccines are useless but want to grant the victim's parents the right to sue when a vaccine doesn't work? I would love to know what cause of action you think the parents could assert.

If a vaccine fails to work for 1 in 1,000,000 (or even 1 in 100,000) but protects the others, I would say that it is more than a "money maker" since it immunizes the other 999,999. Moreover, even for the 1 person whom the vaccine did not immunize, it still offers significant protection for them by limiting their potential exposure from live strains transmitted from others. By immunizing and eradicating the virus from other potential hosts, a non-immunized person has a materially reduced chance of catching the virus in the first instance.

If you follow that logic, however, you soon realize that people who choose not to get vaccinated (or not have their kids vaccinated) are not only being thick-headed due to the fact that there is no evidence of any down-side to being vaccinated, they are dangerously selfish because they help injure others who are not fortunate enough to have effective vaccination as an option. Imagine you, personally, contributed to the 5-year-old's death because, despite the fact that you could have been vaccinated against the flu, you chose not to do so and passed the virus along to her. That is the risk that every anti-vaxxer takes when they chose not to receive vaccines. Its not materially different than drunk driving, really.
 
Old 01-30-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Lets get back to the topic. Just stating the facts it is not a discussion.
And those "facts" are?
 
Old 01-30-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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people who choose not to get vaccinated (or not have their kids vaccinated) are not only being thick-headed due to the fact that there is no evidence of any down-side to being vaccinated, they are dangerously selfish because they help injure others who are not fortunate enough to have effective vaccination as an option. Imagine you, personally, contributed to the 5-year-old's death because, despite the fact that you could have been vaccinated against the flu, you chose not to do so and passed the virus along to her. That is the risk that every anti-vaxxer takes when they chose not to receive vaccines. Its not materially different than drunk driving, really.
More hysterical false logic.
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