Los Angeles Needs to be Manhattanized (Long Beach, Pasadena: middle-class, rental, tenants)

[owl6969]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

it'll never happen, los angeles will always be one giant sprawling suburb. it's in the culture of the people.

for example, most people migrated to los angeles from the south/midwest, while san francisco attracted people from the northeast. that's a big part of the reason why sf is much more of a "real" city than los angeles.

take the average angelino and tell him to move into a 250sqft apartment and give up his car. good luck with that. la is home to obnoxious mc mansions, car culture, cul-de-sacs, etc., it always will be.

there are thousands of cities all of the planet which are far more productive, have higher quality of life, are high density environments, etc. there's nothing particularly special about the land in southern california, people who honestly desire that type of lifestyle simply live elsewhere.

i mean seriously, advocating the "manhattanization" of los angeles? that's going to take what? 50-100 years to complete?

just pack up your bags and head over to a real city, give it a rest already. this extremely vocal minority is ridiculous.

Los Angeles and San Francisco is like pretty much on the same level as being a "real" city.

You're sure thats the migration patterns for the two?

You seem to be wrong here.

[quixotic59]

Manhattan needs to be Martinized.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by MordinSolus

I can't tell if you're a troll or just dumb.

The guy can't even cut and paste a link properly, so it's definitely some of the latter.

[pugsnotdrugsmang]

Why is DT Santa Monica so popular?
Hollywood/Highland?
Abbot Kinney?
The Grove?
The DT artwalk?

Because density. LA needs more of it.
(But not to the point of being an overcrowded human cess pool like NYC)

[jm1982]

It seems only now the city politicians are realizing this ,

Yes areas like the valley were the suburbs , decades ago .

Anybody that has been recently knows them days is gone

There is a demand for density housing and retail especially near transit and highways and we should be building as much as possible where it makes sense and there is a true demand .

The warner center area in woodland hills has thousands of units planned , there is demand but of course the single family home owners are fighting it tooth and nail .

There is a big fear of "apartments " ..and many don't realize that plenty of wealthy or high income people actually live in apartments .

Many people in La spend more to rent apartments than a lot of people are paying on their mortgages .

My mortgage is less than what I see even small apartments renting for and I've only owned since 2010 ...so you can imagine the people that bought like in the early 2000s or before .

[munchitup]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugsmang

Why is DT Santa Monica so popular?
Hollywood/Highland?
Abbot Kinney?
The Grove?
The DT artwalk?

Because density. LA needs more of it.
(But not to the point of being an overcrowded human cess pool like NYC)

LA doesn't need more density per se, it needs better transit to get to-and-from these nodes and it also needs to improve the pedestrian experience of the areas between these walkable nodes. East Hollywood, north and south K-Town, south Echo Park / Historic Filipinotown, south Hollywood - these areas are all very dense (by US standards) yet are not very pleasant to walk through.

[JerZ]

^ Actually...I agree with munch. Better transit.

[jm1982]

Yeah and sadly these are the areas where a lot of people walk because they don't have cars

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yeah and sadly these are the areas where a lot of people walk because they don't have cars

I disagree with the walking part, is walking bad, if it's a reasonable distance?

In fact, if we're talking about Manhattanizing an area, well, hell, EVERYBODY in Manhattan walks (and definitely, many people don't own cars - just for the prohibitive cost of parking it in a garage to ensure a space alone). I mean have you ever walked Manhattan, particularly as you get closer in toward Times Square? You will cross the street with anywhere from 5 to 20-ish people at any given time, with another group right behind you trying to make the light and then another group behind them. It's like looking at a street crossing in Tokyo.

[jm1982]

I didn't mean walking is bad ... But I meant that since a lot of people walk in those areas it would be nice if it were more pleasant as munchitup suggested .

I'm definitely not anti walking and enjoy it myself .

Actually one of the main reasons I enjoyed living in west la/ ranch park and Hollywood was because it was walkable .

And yes I have walked manhattan , actually on the last trip there couple years ago , I only used public transit or walked ..no taxis at all ..

We even walked in the Bronx from the bronx zoo to Arthur avenue ...not too many tourists walking around there lol

It's definitely not like Times Square