The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Santa Monica, West Hollywood: apartments, health insurance, loans)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

I agree. Many of we Baby Boomers have Millennial children, and lots of them are struggling to get by here, doing as you mentioned: working two jobs, having multiple roommates, paying off student loans, delaying purchasing a home, etc. Expensive electronic equipment and annual passes to Disneyland went out the window during the 2008 recession. I'm surprised that more people don't see this.

Oh they see it but they continue to push the bootstrapper theory, i.e. "everything that ever happens in your life is your fault and is the result of poor planning"... As I've said before talk is cheap, I'd love to see the bank balances of some of these people who continue to regurgitate that nonsense, I bet they aren't much further from being broke than the folks they wag their finger at.

[Chicano3000X]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh they see it but they continue to push the bootstrapper theory, i.e. "everything that ever happens in your life is your fault and is the result of poor planning"... As I've said before talk is cheap, I'd love to see the bank balances of some of these people who continue to regurgitate that nonsense, I bet they aren't much further from being broke than the folks they wag their finger at.

True, and as CA4now said. We’re not getting passes to Disneyland, and getting luxuries. Many people that I know within my age group are living with roomates and working multiple jobs.

None of us honestly have much hope that we’ll own a home. Just hope that we have a roof over our heads. At this point we just hope to do more than just simply survive. We just want to have the careers we worked hard for and a decent place to live.

I think thats the big difference. Previous generations dreamt of extravance. We just wanna not be homeless lol.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Chicano3000X

True, and as CA4now said. We’re not getting passes to Disneyland, and getting luxuries. Many people that I know within my age group are living with roomates and working multiple jobs.

None of us honestly have much hope that we’ll own a home. Just hope that we have a roof over our heads. At this point we just hope to do more than just simply survive. We just want to have the careers we worked hard for and a decent place to live.

I think thats the big difference. Previous generations dreamt of extravance. We just wanna not be homeless lol.

Why set the bar low though ? It can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Why set limits ?

[Chicano3000X]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Why set the bar low though ? It can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Why set limits ?

Not setting limits. Just being realisitic.
Still aim high though.

[Tulemutt]

So curiously funny. The sense of entitlement humanity has developed in the blink of an eye on any historical scale, that we all should be so securely independent property owners, possessing cornucopias of material products to satiate and amuse ourselves endlessly and mindlessly. Just a few generations back, most people around the globe lived with so little, in extended family generations ... old and young taking care of each other for life as best each could for the other.

Now such simplicity and generational commitment and caring is viewed as distastefully unnatural.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

So curiously funny. The sense of entitlement humanity has developed in the blink of an eye on any historical scale, that we all should be so securely independent property owners, possessing cornucopias of material products to satiate and amuse ourselves endlessly and mindlessly.

Not really, mutt. Just that many of us had the chance to at least purchase a home that we could afford--and in which our kids could grow up--with basic expectations such as neighborhood friends and decent public schools.

Not a lot to ask. And that's out of reach to many of the younger generation today, at least in this state.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

So curiously funny. The sense of entitlement humanity has developed in the blink of an eye on any historical scale, that we all should be so securely independent property owners, possessing cornucopias of material products to satiate and amuse ourselves endlessly and mindlessly. Just a few generations back, most people around the globe lived with so little, in extended family generations ... old and young taking care of each other for life as best each could for the other.

Now such simplicity and generational commitment and caring is viewed as distastefully unnatural.

Oh please. There was far less toleration of hobos than we have today in our disgustingly and damagingly altruistic society.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Chicano3000X

True, and as CA4now said. We’re not getting passes to Disneyland, and getting luxuries. Many people that I know within my age group are living with roomates and working multiple jobs.

None of us honestly have much hope that we’ll own a home. Just hope that we have a roof over our heads. At this point we just hope to do more than just simply survive. We just want to have the careers we worked hard for and a decent place to live.

I think thats the big difference. Previous generations dreamt of extravance. We just wanna not be homeless lol.

Your the one that called other states bumfugg and bashed mgrs... What do you do for a living?? Sorry I'm not shedding tears over your friends having to work 2 jobs and living with roommates. That's every generation starting out including mine. I worked at Mervyns while going to college and lived at home then lived with 2 roommates in a small apt. You do have it tougher with the cost of living here and your right you'll never be able to buy in Ca but you can do what my friends daughters did and move to Ohio. She has a great job they live on a golf course and soon will buy a house. Face it Ca is only for the rich and very poor. You me and a lot of other people are being forced out.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Oh please. There was far less toleration of hobos than we have today in our disgustingly and damagingly altruistic society.

Please show me where I said anything about “hobos”.

My remark was aimed at the consumption-based entitlement mentality exemplified perfectly by such as yourself, feeding the notion that all persons can and should be materially oriented and well secured as individuals. And that anyone who can't conform to that standard is a failure.

The levels of [unnecessary, wasteful] consumer consumption we are now conditioned to expect of ourselves and others is historically very recent. Unprecedented. Unsustainable. And pointless to boot. Moreover, the further we commit to this material fantasy - the more people will fall through the cracks that are rapidly widening into chasms.

Primitive peoples and societies did not have homelessness. It grows with distancing ourselves from our essential design.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Not really, mutt. Just that many of us had the chance to at least purchase a home that we could afford--and in which our kids could grow up--with basic expectations such as neighborhood friends and decent public schools.

Not a lot to ask. And that's out of reach to many of the younger generation today, at least in this state.

Not sure what you are saying “not really” to?

Yes. Many in recent past generations had the opportunity to buy homes that can't be bought today by a growing percentage of upcoming generations. How does that confirm anything except exactly what I wrote: we, as a culture, now expect what just a handful of generations ago was never taken for granted. Three and five generations before me lived in the struggle of carving out homesteads from wilderness, at best. Those not so adventurously inclined lived in some extremely limited conditions and spaces, often with extended generations.

As I so often point out, humanity has been out of the caves for 10,000 years. We've only become materially oriented to mass individual pursuit of opulence since the advent of consumer capitalism infecting society in the last 125 or so years. Blink of an historical eye. Yet we are so confident this [nonsense] we glorify is the goal of our evolution.