The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (San Francisco, Sacramento: entertainment, nearby, democrat)

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

No, I haven't said that, please don't try to attribute things to me that I never said. London Breed and two State Senators want to change the conservatorship process from criminal to civil court, great idea. They want to make it easier to appoint a conservator for the mentally ill- another great idea. A conservatorship is not the equivalent of moving the homeless to camps in the Antelope Valley.

The best thing you can do for any seriously mentally ill person is to appoint a conservator for them. The conservator acts as a parent would, making decisions for people who are not able to do that for themselves. An approach like this goes a long way toward decriminalizing mental illness- and getting some of these folks off the street because if they are seriously mentally ill the first option a conservator will offer them is supportive housing, not commitment to a mental hospital.

Senators Wiener and Stern Announce Bill to Expand Conservatorships to Help Mentally Ill and Drug-Addicted People Dying on California

So their treatment has to be done in high cost city of L.A or San Francisco ?
Why can’t they be treated in a cheaper area .. you know since the taxpayers are paying .

You make it seem like the Antelope Valley is some remote place where nobody lives .
It makes me wonder if you even know where it is or what it is , since you don’t live in Southern California .

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What happened in NY is inexcusable but that doesn't mean that all public housing is mismanaged.

Of course.

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I've seen privately operated low income housing that was unfit for occupancy too, so I don't think that there's any evidence that the private sector would do better. In fact they might do worse given that the primary goal of a private enterprise is profit.

The profit motive is an incentive to perform or lose out to the competition. In the case of public sector housing, there is no consequence to failure-to-perform as there is no competition.

In the private sector for low-income housing, it also depends on who the customer actually is. Is the customer a public sector entity contracting with the private sector entity? Is the customer an individual low-income person? Those two examples behave very differently in the real world.

[Matadora]

I wonder how well this will go over building student housing mixed in with homeless housing? What could possibly go wrong in this situation?

At this very site a women puts meth into a 2 year old child's mouth. She was a total stranger to this child.

Woman accused of giving toddler meth at Berkeley park to appear in court

After years of hands-off policy, UC plans to build housing on People’s Park

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I wonder how well this will go over building student housing mixed in with homeless housing? What could possibly go wrong in this situation?

At this very site a women puts meth into a 2 year old child's mouth. She was a total stranger to this child.

Woman accused of giving toddler meth at Berkeley park to appear in court

After years of hands-off policy, UC plans to build housing on People’s Park

So basically everyone knew she was crazy and causing trouble but nothing was done about it because
“Tolerance “ ..

“"She's not a very good person, she steals everyone's stuff, she runs around talking to herself, she's crazy," said Jameson, Berkeley resident.”

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

What we do know is that there are three options:
1. Government run
2. Privately contracted
3. Do nothing.

Pick your poison ...

You've probably read the famous Albert Einstein quote:

"Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them."

There are more options than the 3 you describe, even when employing the same level of thinking that created the problem in the first place.

[Social Democrat]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

You've probably read the famous Albert Einstein quote:



There are more options than the 3 you describe, even when employing the same level of thinking that created the problem in the first place.

Please elucidate. Thank you.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Okay fine let's use your number.

The main reason your plan wouldn't work is because $400 million is still a **** load of money to ask from the public.

Go ahead Tule. If you really believe that you can bilk hundreds of millions from LA County taxpayers to build tiny homes for the homeless, the ballot initiative process in California is pretty well understood.

Should work just like free public skid row restrooms for homeless worked in LA. Right?

Here's my personal forecast: after spending the $400 million, we would discover the homeless problem has not been solved. Some housing would be created and occupied, but we would still see a huge number of homeless.

It is sort of like adding a freeway: initially traffic flows freely, but in short order there are secondary and tertiary effects where some traffic on saturated city streets moves to the new freeway, and then it, too, is saturated. The promised relief to the bone-crushing commutes never materializes.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by jm1982

So the lady that just became San Francisco's new mayor supports a different way of handling the homeless. Even people in liberal and 'tolerant' San Francisco have gotten sick and tired of the homeless issue.


Forcing the mentally ill into treatment, what do you guys think about this? Sounds like what many of us have been saying for years...but there are some that said this is cruel. This is really the only solution. London Breed sounds like she has a lot more sense than our local politicians...

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San Francisco may soon change the way it deals with people who drift along city streets, addled by drugs or suffering from severe mental illness.
On Tuesday, the Board of Supervisors unanimously approved an ordinance to give the city attorney authority over conservatorship proceedings, the process of forcing mentally ill people into treatment or putting them in the care of a guardian. Those cases are currently overseen by the district attorney.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...m-12879660.php

How many guardians will SF need to hire? It just expands the city payroll.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

How many guardians will SF need to hire? It just expands the city payroll.

At this point what difference does it make , actually getting CA politicians to cut spending is futile . At least it would get some of the dangerous crazies off the streets . Unlike everything they’ve been doing now .
They could cut on certain things if they wanted to.

Pretty bad when an American cities has turned into a slum where people have to ask San Francisco or Mumbai?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...sco-california

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I wonder how well this will go over building student housing mixed in with homeless housing? What could possibly go wrong in this situation?

At this very site a women puts meth into a 2 year old child's mouth. She was a total stranger to this child.

Woman accused of giving toddler meth at Berkeley park to appear in court

After years of hands-off policy, UC plans to build housing on People’s Park

That nanny should be arrested too. Who takes a kid to a homeless park with the most pathetic playground I've ever seen??

What parent is going to want their kid living in a homeless park? sharing housing with them? Liberal insanity They should build the housing just for the homeless there and come what May between them.