The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (mechanics, low income, apartment complexes)

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Even when he was poor and his wife left him, Dale Earnhardt never roamed the streets and antagonized passers-by. All these homeless creeps we have roaming the streets and terrorizing people, even young girls, need to take a lesson from Dale. Furthermore, Dale once said that second place is the first loser -- all these homeless people living on the streets and antagonizing everybody need to stop being losers and try to be more like Ironhead, The Intimidator, The Man in Black. Ya'll Yankees got that?

Classic post !

[veritased]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Successful business. Politicians don’t set rental rates.

Tulemutt, have you ever heard of legislated rent control.
You know, where politicians set rental rates.

[mirage98de]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Successful business. Politicians don’t set rental rates.

Bob is a landlord and has two apartments.

There are 3 families that want to rent Bob’s apartments. The demand exceeds supply and Bob charges higher rent.

Let’s say one of those families were illegal immigrants and get deported. Now Bob still has two apartments, but now only two families want to rent his apartments.

Will this cause Bob to increase or decrease the rent?

[jm1982]

City of L.A is now allowing homeless to keep an unlimited amount of items on the city streets .
A big win for the “advocate” crowd . Complete lack of common sense

I’m sure some on here will say this is a great idea .
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After months of closed-door negotiations, the city of Los Angeles has agreed not to put a ceiling on how much property homeless people can keep on skid row and adjoining streets.

https://www.scpr.org/programs/airtal...s-residents-t/

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by veritased

Tulemutt, have you ever heard of legislated rent control.
You know, where politicians set rental rates.

They don’t set rates. They set limits on rates of rate increases.

And only a few of the cities I listed as having the highest rates of homelessness also have rent control. Furthermore, rent control doesn’t apply to people who have been evicted or otherwise lost their housing for whatever reason - who then try to find a new place to stay. Once out of a rent controlled apartment, there’s no getting back in at former lower rates. Any new rental application will be at open market rate.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mirage98de

Bob is a landlord and has two apartments.

There are 3 families that want to rent Bob’s apartments. The demand exceeds supply and Bob charges higher rent.

Let’s say one of those families were illegal immigrants and get deported. Now Bob still has two apartments, but now only two families want to rent his apartments.

Will this cause Bob to increase or decrease the rent?

1. What you pose is not an example of politicians setting rates. It is an example of free market fluctuation.

2. Illegals affecting market rental rates through price competition with legal residents is an amusing concept.

3. In any case, the illegals are not a legitimate component of the market, by definition.

... your scenario is ... wait for it ... a mirage.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Even when he was poor and his wife left him, Dale Earnhardt never roamed the streets and antagonized passers-by. All these homeless creeps we have roaming the streets and terrorizing people, even young girls, need to take a lesson from Dale.

What? You're comparing some race car driver with, as you put it, "all these homeless creeps"? Where do you come up with this stuff?

[mirage98de]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

1. What you pose is not an example of politicians setting rates. It is an example of free market fluctuation.

2. Illegals affecting market rental rates through price competition with legal residents is an amusing concept.

3. In any case, the illegals are not a legitimate component of the market, by definition.

... your scenario is ... wait for it ... a mirage.

Um,

#2 is a major contributor to rising rents. Where do you think the illegals live??

If CA deported one million illegals tomorrow, there would suddenly be hundreds of thousands of vacant apartments. Landlords would have no choice to decrease rents and Joe and Jill Crackhead might be able to afford their own place again with their fraudulent SSDI income.

Don’t deflect or make excuses (“we need the illegals”, “it would be impossible to deport that many people”, etc.)

Please specifically explain how this is wrong. If you don’t think the illegals are renting apartments, I’d LOVE to know where you think they live.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mirage98de

Um,

#2 is a major contributor to rising rents. Where do you think the illegals live??

If CA deported one million illegals tomorrow, there would suddenly be hundreds of thousands of vacant apartments. Landlords would have no choice to decrease rents and Joe and Jill Crackhead might be able to afford their own place again with their fraudulent SSDI income.

Don’t deflect or make excuses (“we need the illegals”, “it would be impossible to deport that many people”, etc.)

Please specifically explain how this is wrong. If you don’t think the illegals are renting apartments, I’d LOVE to know where you think they live.

1. Illegals are NOT any statistically significant rental demographic in any of the cities I mentioned as leading centers of homelessness other than California ...

2. Illegals, even in California, are not often, if ever, competitors for even moderate priced units, let alone market drivers.

3. I said nothing about “needing illegals” (I am quite anti-immigration, for one thing).

4. Fact is: we can’t - and won’t - deport a “million illegals” from any single market ... good point you raised.

5. Those cheap, slumlord-level rentals, where crackheads and illegals 10 to a room “compete” for rent, are not market drivers, and are becoming rapidly redeveloped in urban centers experiencing any boom growth.

6. And finally, as I pointed out before: illegals are BY DEFINITION not a legitimate component of the market. Thus it is not politicians limiting the market if illegals are removed ... it is a factor of appropriate law enforcement.

Your argument is: a mirage.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Genghis

I'm just referring to one portion of the homeless population. I recognize that the mentally ill and the addicted comprise the majority of them.

Wrong again. (I guess it doesn't matter to you when you continue to post the same false information, though.)

"First, it’s important to remember that the mentally ill account for only about a third of the homeless, so even if they were all properly treated and housed, homelessness would remain a monumental problem in Los Angeles."

Treating and housing the mentally ill is harder than jailing them. But it might actually work:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/edit...htmlstory.html