LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (Williams: homes, homeschooling, legally)

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Bring 'em on then but don't post a link to Townhall and claim that it's proof of anything other than that they are Trump puppets

Refute the timeline then.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Please point out scientific advise I have given? Please point out where I have claimed to be a scientific oracle? Ideologue, look in the mirror pale. Again, I’m not the one imposing draconian mandates like a “no nothing” government bureaucrat. Unlike you, I’m not going to be a zombie and just accept being mandated be zeros.

Pretty much every post you make is a tacit ‘scientific’ attack … “There is no basis for this …” “… there is no basis for that …” are saying that science has determined everything presented by science is folly. The advice in that is tacit and implicit: ‘do not follow any authoritative science.’ ‘But DO, by all means deny and refute and oppose anything mainstream.’ You can try to put lipstick on your advice by saying “by all means follow whatever makes you happy.” But your ridicule and challenge is by definition an effort to obviate everything put forth by those who you consider the ‘evil cabal’ of leftists!

Give it a rest. If you truly believe people should do what makes them comfortable and happy … then there is no need to constantly, day after day, post after post try to denigrate, obviate and vilify.

Are you bored crazy now that you no longer roam the streets with badge and power of law to settle conflicts?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Refute the timeline then? Should be easy, right? Again, what were the Democrats doing while this Chinese military bio-lab created virus funded by the United States was sweeping throughout the world? They were involved in an impeachment hoax. You’re an ideologue. You want to blame Trump for covid. Give me a break.

No sir. YOU are this forum’s biggest ideologue. Any readings of your posts reveal, just as you have done above, that you are fully immersed in conspiracies and political polarization.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Refute the timeline then.

sure thing as soon as you refute the timeline I posted AND the four articles regarding mandates

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Refute the timeline then? Should be easy, right? Again, what were the Democrats doing while this Chinese military bio-lab created virus funded by the United States was sweeping throughout the world? They were involved in an impeachment hoax. You’re an ideologue. You want to blame Trump for covid. Give me a break.

There you go again, there is no proof that the virus was created in a lab but you are claiming it was. Is it possible that it was created in a lab? Yes, the consensus is that is a possibility. Is it possible it was created in a "military bio-lab"? Well the person who spread that piece of 'news' was none other than Mike Pompeo who is not really known for his integrity and honesty.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

I find it interesting that Florida or Texas isn’t in the news these days in regards to covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It’s been quite quiet. Texas and Florida have no mandates, yet are among the lowest case rate in the nation. There is no evidence covid mandates has had any effect on cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottm...rence-n2597079

If Townhall is your only source you must be having a hard time finding support for your position

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

I find it interesting that Florida or Texas isn’t in the news these days in regards to covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It’s been quite quiet. Texas and Florida have no mandates, yet are among the lowest case rate in the nation. There is no evidence covid mandates has had any effect on cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottm...rence-n2597079

Oct 8 Data is for 7 days

Cases per 100k

California 65
Texas 186
Florida 120

Change from Previous week

California -39%
Texas -26%
Florida -32%

NAAT Positivity

California 2.7%
Texas 8.6%
Florida 6.4%



Deaths are broken out by region and county in that source but I found the state data here: https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...te-july-1.html

Oct. 12, 2021 Death for past 7 days per 100k population

California Deaths per 100,000: 0.26 Daily average deaths: 103
Texas Deaths per 100,000: 0.83 Daily average deaths: 241.4
Florida Deaths per 100,000: 0.7 Daily average deaths: 149.7

So if it's not mandates that caused the difference in those parameters, what is it?

[VaughanWilliams33]

Some of you are assigning people to a "team" just because they recognize the obvious truth that mandates are wrong. Sorry to disappoint, but there are no MAGA hats in home. I have no faith in either the republicans or democrats, thus I'm registed to "other" in terms of political party. Instead, I look at the issues rather than choosing a team. It's a lot easier to assign someone to an extreme side of the spectrum rather than use nuanced thinking, but it's just not how things really are.

I try to be consistent in my beliefs, and I am pro-choice when it comes to abortion and also, pro-choice when it comes to vaccines or any medical procedure. The government should not be in a position to make decisions about abortion or a vaccine -- that should be up to the individual.

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Pretty much every post you make is a tacit ‘scientific’ attack … “There is no basis for this …” “… there is no basis for that …” are saying that science has determined everything presented by science is folly. The advice in that is tacit and implicit: ‘do not follow any authoritative science.’ ‘But DO, by all means deny and refute and oppose anything mainstream.’ You can try to put lipstick on your advice by saying “by all means follow whatever makes you happy.” But your ridicule and challenge is by definition an effort to obviate everything put forth by those who you consider the ‘evil cabal’ of leftists!

Give it a rest. If you truly believe people should do what makes them comfortable and happy … then there is no need to constantly, day after day, post after post try to denigrate, obviate and vilify.

Are you bored crazy now that you no longer roam the streets with badge and power of law to settle conflicts?

My ridicule and challenge is on mandates by government officials and bureaucrats who are not experts or scientists. These mandates that are being implemented have not been scientifically proven or peer reviewed, yet we are to abide by them regardless. The science isn’t settled and I have yet to see any convincing evidence covid mandates has slowed the spread. That’s my complaint. So, if you want to take those precautions, by all means, do so. For me, I know what is best for me rather than some bureaucrat who knows nothing about me.

And how is mandating a vaccine going to protect those who are already vaccinated? Please, can that be explained? It’s pretzel logic.

Bored crazy? Speak for yourself. You’re the one wasting your time with me. If I was motivated by a badge and power I wouldn’t be retired would I.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by VaughanWilliams33

Some of you are assigning people to a "team" just because they recognize the obvious truth that mandates are wrong. Sorry to disappoint, but there are no MAGA hats in home. I have no faith in either the republicans or democrats, thus I'm registed to "other" in terms of political party. Instead, I look at the issues rather than choosing a team. It's a lot easier to assign someone to an extreme side of the spectrum rather than use nuanced thinking, but it's just not how things really are.

I try to be consistent in my beliefs, and I am pro-choice when it comes to abortion and also, pro-choice when it comes to vaccines or any medical procedure. The government should not be in a position to make decisions about abortion or a vaccine -- that should be up to the individual.

Nuanced thinking would require one to consider the danger to yourself and others when you refuse to get vaccinated or wear a mask. And what does pro-choice extend to? Driving while drunk, driving 40 miles over the speed limit, or having bon fires in the front yard of your suburban home? And as far as making this issue political...take a look at how it became political, Trump refused to wear a mask, refused to have his staff wear a mask and even extended that to the public who attended his rallies. Red states got in line real quick by trying to ban every single restriction that could have slowed the spread of Covid. Maybe to you it's not political but this way of thinking has it's roots in the Republican party and Trump.