Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: hardware, cigarettes, Republican)

[BostonMike7]

If anyone is disappointed the blue angels and thunderbirds didn’t overfly Boston, the F15s from the 104th fighter wing are overflying a number of hospitals on wed, May 6th from 12:15 to 12:45.

Before anyone complains, this is their normal training to maintain proficiency in their jets. They are just taking different routes to specifically overfly the hospitals

I’m sure someone will complain. That’s what we do.

[Urban Peasant]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

they allow big businesses to stay open like walmart and stop and shop but close small businesses.

every poster on here posts opinions as fact.

Except during the busiest times, I can keep well abreast of everyone else in Target, Walmart and Stop and Shop. Not so in a cramped little boutique. If you wonder why Target and Walmart are allowed to stay open, well they do sell essentials such as groceries. toiletries, etc.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

they allow big businesses to stay open like walmart and stop and shop but close small businesses.

every poster on here posts opinions as fact.

The governor decides what's essential and what's not. Whether you and I agree with it or not, is beside the point of whether it's legal of him to do it or not which it absolutely is and the courts have already decided that. I for one, disagree with Baker's decision to shut firearms dealers. But I'll wait for election time to deal with that, for now I'm not going to go on some dramatic tangent about my "rights" being violated because they absolutely aren't.

[charolastra00]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

1000 new cases and 86 deaths.

Decent decline in hospitalizations too. Net hospitalizations -78

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

Originally Posted by lrfox

Also, new high in tests conducted yesterday (16k+), so the 1,000 new cases is even more impressive. Hard to be happy about 78 new deaths, but that's also a significant decrease over previous days.

I've been cautiously looking for optimism in the data over the past several weeks and found bits and pieces here and there. The percent positive of tests conducted have been on the decline for a week or so, and hospitalizations have been consistently declining. But they were small gains and we had generally plateaued for around 7-10 days. This is the first update where I've actually let myself feel a bit of optimism. Of course, that could all go out the window if we get another significant spike over the next few days. But for now, this is a good, good sign.

I was really skeptical about the 1000 number, but then saw that we were down to 10% positive tests. Yesterday, we were down to 12%. I'm prepared to have my heart broken on Wednesday (typically, Sundays and Mondays are the lowest and Wednesdays are the highest), but numbers are really noisy. Both the running 3 day and 7 day averages are looking really good, thank G-d.



We just need to hang in there a little longer. As of a few days ago, Boston's ICU capacity was at 120% and Worcester appears to still be surging. We just need to get through this. Hopeful that the statewide mask order will push the numbers down even lower.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Here's where I have the problem. Businesses have been shut down worldwide by democratic governments. It's only in the US where this has been politicized and turned into a "rights" issue. Does anyone honestly think that state governments are out to shut down businesses (thereby starving themselves of tax revenue) and put people out of work? The whole premise is ludicrous. It's being done for one reason only--public safety.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


The problem becomes because governors are acting as dictators without any type of checks or balances. Different states and different governments or officials have taken draconian measures. You can always argue anything in the name of safety. I could go as far as arguing you can't drive a car cause it puts people at risk. There is no end to arguing safety for whatever reason.

Its interesting that many wonder how Hitler gained power, but it theoretical terms it isn't as crazy as people think. Most will follow a government measure whether it makes zero sense. They could start saying wear blue shoes with a red shirt and it helps with the corona virus, and I'm convinced 60% of people would do that and not ask any questions.

[Robert5]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Simple reason: you cannot fully digest the data, therefor you cannot use it to properly inform yourself.

Last input from UMass Med suggested that that ED visits were down ~40% from pre-isolation, with ~60% being Covid-19 patients. ICU beds were still largely claimed. If ED visits returned to normal, you can easily imagine a scenario where capacity exceeds by 30%+. Essentially, U.S. healthcare and politicos were looking to avoid the issues seen in northern Italy when spread was not managed initially.

I don't like the the solution, but this doesn't prevent me from understanding the motivation.

But hey, enjoy your bias.

Not sure what you mean by "largely claimed" But the reality is more than 60% of ICU beds are currently empty, and that is not dip, that is essentially the peak. And of those ICU beds that are occupied, half are occupied by non covid related emergencies.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-da...-2020/download

[Robert5]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

Have you been to Japan?

tokyo which has a insane amount of people only has 141 deaths from covid 19.


https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...4dUDCAk&uact=5

this has been a mystery no one has solved. Maybe because in Japan hardly anyone that is overweight and They have less occurances of diabeties. New york which also has a ton of people was much worse.

Obesity is certainly a significant factor, but I doubt it is the main one. It seems to me south east asians just have an inbreed tolerance, via Darwinian selection, to similar coronoaviruses developed over hundreds of generations of exposure to them. I would like to see data on the effects of this virus on Asian Americans.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

How many people smoke in Japan? I heard even though they are healthier then Americans that a lot of them smoke. Did you see a lot of smoking? Ya I went to Canada and it was way cleaner then the united states. I assume in Japan its even cleaner.

In Asia, men smoke. Women typically smoke less than American women. Asian white collar professional men smoke. You rarely see that in the US where cigarettes are usually tied to socioeconomic status.

But Japan immediately took steps to drastically lower the transmission rate when this hit in February and had very high compliance rate. The high risk male smokers weren’t exposed to the disease. The compliance rate for requests to wear masks and keep separation is really poor in the US.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Robert5

Obesity is certainly a significant factor, but I doubt it is the main one. It seems to me south east asians just have an inbreed tolerance, via Darwinian selection, to similar coronoaviruses developed over hundreds of generations of exposure to them. I would like to see data on the effects of this virus on Asian Americans.

So why did it wipe out Wuhan? They’re East Asians. The generically evolved super species.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by LeavingMA

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


The problem becomes because governors are acting as dictators without any type of checks or balances. Different states and different governments or officials have taken draconian measures. You can always argue anything in the name of safety. I could go as far as arguing you can't drive a car cause it puts people at risk. There is no end to arguing safety for whatever reason.

Its interesting that many wonder how Hitler gained power, but it theoretical terms it isn't as crazy as people think. Most will follow a government measure whether it makes zero sense. They could start saying wear blue shoes with a red shirt and it helps with the corona virus, and I'm convinced 60% of people would do that and not ask any questions.

Any state constitution allows the legislature to override an executive order. The legislature can override any veto. You’re Godwining this thread with a conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.