Police overtime budget cuts (Boston: employment, professionals, prices)

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by msRB311

People on wall st steal money every day ( a lot more than what we're talking about here) and nothing happens to them.

Yes, and people like Liz Warren very publicly critique these issues (e.g., Libor fraud). A failure to hold people/institutions accountable should mean we stop enforcing laws across the board.

By your logic, my local PD show have excused my neighbor's OUI because fentanyl importation and sale is a rampant problem in MA. Not very logical, is it?

[mdovell]

O boy a ton of stuff here.

On details. In many cases if it is a private job it is the company that is paying for the detail work, not the city or state. personally I don't think public jobs need cops as flaggers. Plenty of other states have regular people (CT I've seen it plenty of times) making $20 or so an hour holding signs. Ultimately this going to go to robots anyway.

For qualifications there's significant incentives under the quinn bill to get 20% more with an associates, bachelors and masters. It's a win win. Generally mass has had significantly less civil rights issues since passing. this is one of the major differences in Mass vs other states. Section 12 (pink paper) is another. If someone is determined to be a threat to themselves or others a cop or psych eval can have them committed I believe for three days. Keep in mind that many other states HARDLY train police, especially in rural areas. I'm not saying they are stupid but if you don't ask for it you probably won't get it. How many police officers know spanish? I'd argue some but more towards urban areas. ok how about sign language?

Pensions. Most people in the public sector do not get social security. Public pensions cost much more than social security (6.25% vs about 11%). Until recently pensions were not stripped away. These can add up in mass as the $180K contribution led to a $80K annual pension. that's a great return.
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disability. My maternal grandfather was injured in the line of duty. He was rear ended after getting in his cruiser after issuing a ticket. Three months later he had a heart attack. Back then it paid out full but today it pays I think half.

there are situations that people can get with police that get them both nervous and frankly when the media blows it up on both sides it just gets more people mad. For example if someone gets pulled over the police need to see id. We can argue about legalities but the one way to really tick a cop off is a lack of id. The driver goes for registration in the glove box but guess what else is put there..usually firearms so if you do that really fast due to being scared it's going to scare the cop and make them more likely to react. If you drive say a mini van with tinted windows vs say a hatch back that's crystal clear with nothing in it might determine if you get pulled over. Cops also need space. Say you have some assault. Ok so they have three people at the station now. victim, assailant and witness. Now they have to *separate* them and do so safely otherwise you could have intimating a witness as an additional charge. And if there's kids and DSS involved God save you because then you have to have some form of id to prove a relationship. Some places might not have crime but in those areas when it does happen you have to get mutual aid. I know of a stabbing years ago where practically SIX other towns had to give aid. We can't assume that criminals care about where someone lives.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Yes, and people like Liz Warren very publicly critique these issues (e.g., Libor fraud). A failure to hold people/institutions accountable should mean we stop enforcing laws across the board.

By your logic, my local PD show have excused my neighbor's OUI because fentanyl importation and sale is a rampant problem in MA. Not very logical, is it?

I am not talking about DUIs and drug use. I'm talking about padding OT here and there.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by msRB311

People on wall st steal money every day ( a lot more than what we're talking about here) and nothing happens to them.

This is Trumpian-level deflection. I’d expect at 6-year-old to use the “but everybody does it” defense. Not an adult. Felony fraud is felony fraud.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I am not talking about DUIs and drug use. I'm talking about padding OT here and there.

Laws are to be enforced ... let the judicial system define the justice to be served.

That IS my point. As a citizen bound to laws, I fully expect the police force enforcing those laws also be bound to them. It’s felony fraud, plain and simple.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

This is Trumpian-level deflection. I’d expect at 6-year-old to use the “but everybody does it” defense. Not an adult. Felony fraud is felony fraud.

Lol ok. These cops are stealing like 2k a year whereas wall st people steal millions a year. Millions that should be going to other initiatives. But let's focus on the cops.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Laws are to be enforced ... let the judicial system define the justice to be served.

That IS my point. As a citizen bound to laws, I fully expect the police force enforcing those laws also be bound to them. It’s felony fraud, plain and simple.

and I'm not saying they shouldn't get in trouble for it, they should. But does it really need to be published in the paper every time it happens? I personally think the media just likes to showcase it any time cops mess up. They enjoy it when cops screw up.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by msRB311

The preference should at least be given to someone from the Boston/MA area. And if they served in the military and ended up on a base in MO not sure they had any control over where they were sent.

Where they served their enlistment wasn't the point. My point was that a 22 year from anywhere in the country who didn't see any combat time or served overseas can jump to the top of the list for a BPD job. Those jobs should go to people who live in the city and if you are a city resident who is a vet, then you should get preference.

Further, family members of service members who died while enlisted (not specifically in combat) get to jump to a spot just underneath vets.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by mdovell

O boy a ton of stuff here.

On details. In many cases if it is a private job it is the company that is paying for the detail work, not the city or state. personally I don't think public jobs need cops as flaggers. Plenty of other states have regular people (CT I've seen it plenty of times) making $20 or so an hour holding signs. Ultimately this going to go to robots anyway.

And that money paid for details eventually finds it's way to the prices that consumers pay.

Details are paid at $50 per hour and up to $60 per hour for upper rank office acting as a supervisor. Details at strikes pays $75-90 per hour. All details are a 4 hour minimum. Most towns then add 10% to process the paperwork.

A friend with a tree service has had worked stopped on a cul-de-sac until a detail could be arranged.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by robr2

Where they served their enlistment wasn't the point. My point was that a 22 year from anywhere in the country who didn't see any combat time or served overseas can jump to the top of the list for a BPD job. Those jobs should go to people who live in the city and if you are a city resident who is a vet, then you should get preference.

Further, family members of service members who died while enlisted (not specifically in combat) get to jump to a spot just underneath vets.

....qualified residents of Boston. A criminal justice degree would be a good start. Even an Associates out of Bunker Hill CC.