2021 Real Estate Observations (Boston, Lincoln: shop, bill, educational)

[maclel]

Originally Posted by massnative71

You are talking in circles.

Wow, I guess I have no comeback to that powerful well-argued statement.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Not sure why you would blame the ones creating jobs and economic activity, and for wanting to hire the best and brightest in order to succeed in what they do. That is how the world (at least the free-market one) works. The Boston area is large enough where it should be able to accommodate it, and more but it fails to. Almost like a spoiled child with everything handed to them that most others would kill for, yet squanders it on drugs/booze and never gets their $hit together as an adult.

That's the whole point, it's only catering to one section of society, how do you not see that?

Do you think someone who grew up in Dorchester, Mattapan or Lawrence has much of a shot at getting a job at a place like Moderna or Takeda?

There could be more jobs for people who will not make it that far in life but the only options seem to be custodian, construction or food industry.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by maclel

Wow, I guess I have no comeback to that powerful well-argued statement.

No man, more like I've already proven you wrong and feel no need to do it again.

[maclel]

Originally Posted by msRB311

That's the whole point, it's only catering to one section of society, how do you not see that?

Do you think someone who grew up in Dorchester, Mattapan or Lawrence has much of a shot at getting a job at a place like Moderna or Takeda?

There could be more jobs for people who will not make it that far in life but the only options seem to be custodian, construction or food industry.

I do not see why not. This kind of geographical determinism reeks of victimism. Brooklyn was an abjectly poor place to grow up in the first decades of the twentieth century, regardless kids growing up there went up to do achieve great things in every field.

[maclel]

Originally Posted by massnative71

No man, more like I've already proven you wrong and feel no need to do it again.

Why don't we let future readers decide that?

It's really my fault for engaging the troll.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by maclel

I do not see why not. This kind of geographical determinism reeks of victimism. Brooklyn was an abjectly poor place to grow up in the first decades of the twentieth century, regardless kids growing up there went up to do achieve great things in every field.

100 years ago. And they were able to become white over time. and/or hide their ethnicity. Housing was a much less burdensome expense, more land was available, and zoning laws were non-existent.

[BostonBornMassMade]

[quote=maclel;63099347]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

1) Use your common sense please. Do you think folks are letting fallow land sit idle? Of course not. Why do you think people tear down homes? Just look at the GIS maps. You can count with your hands how many empty lots there are. It might look "empty" to you because the houses sit a distance from each other but that does not mean there is an empty lot in between.

2) State average is VERY different from Greater Boston average. Do I really need to explain you this? Newton is way below that. Just look at the GIS map. https://gis2.ci.newton.ma.us/browser.html Moreover, a very large percentage of the land is wetlands and not suitable for construction.

3) Where are you getting that number from? Plus, land might have become protected recently, but that is usually because it wasn't threatened before. There are extremely very few instances of developed land going back to a natural state.

1) yes they are. Its visible. And its fact.

2) Greater Boston is 70% of the state. it really cant be that different. This is also the MA Real Estate Observations thread. Not necessarily Boston (but I AM talking primarily Greater Boston)

3) https://www.massaudubon.org/our-cons...or%20protected

Protected land as a % in MA
1987: 10%
1997: 17.3%
2009:20.6%
2013:25.2%

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

That's the whole point, it's only catering to one section of society, how do you not see that?

Do you think someone who grew up in Dorchester, Mattapan or Lawrence has much of a shot at getting a job at a place like Moderna or Takeda?

There could be more jobs for people who will not make it that far in life but the only options seem to be custodian, construction or food industry.

It sounded like you were blaming Moderna and Takeda, when you should be blaming our politicians for not just accommodating them but the rest as well.

[maclel]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

100 years ago. And they were able to become white over time. and/or hide their ethnicity.

Hmm, ok, I don't see why that matters, but Chinatown in modern day New York is another example of people rising above their station. I don't think the Chinese can become "white" or "hide their ethnicity". Not that I think that Jewish or Italian-origin people in New York are trying to pass as WASPS!!

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by maclel

I do not see why not. This kind of geographical determinism reeks of victimism. Brooklyn was an abjectly poor place to grow up in the first decades of the twentieth century, regardless kids growing up there went up to do achieve great things in every field.

sorry but it's true. Like i said there are people from all over world competing for these jobs. If your dad is a famous dr or scientist it's going to be a lot easier for his kid to get one of these jobs than someone who grew up poor or even middle class.