Are you for or against vaccine passports for massechusetts? Poll (Holland: buy, salary)

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by timberline742

That's blog post is based on a Columbia University psychologist written "study" which couldn't get past peer review and to publication. Great source you got there.

It's because academia is corrupt.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

It's because academia is corrupt.

Ah yeah, it's all one big conspiracy to suppress the "truth".

It may have nothing to do with it not being a quality scientific study by an egregiously unqualified author.

Nope. Go to youtube, blogs, and wordpress sites for the real deal. The TRUTH.

Very rational.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by lrfox

There are several posts that have actual data on the value of the vaccines. From experts. Vaccines reduce severe cases, hospitalization, and death. That's not even remotely debatable at this point. Transmission is fine if it's largely just the sniffles and the unvaccinated masses aren't taking ICU beds away from other people who don't have the option of a shot that can keep them out of there. Would it be great if the vaccines completely eliminated spread? Yes (though studies do indicate that boosted individuals are less likely to spread it). The implication a year ago that vaccines would stop COVID spread was a failure of public health messaging. But that does not negate the value of the vaccines in the slightest. They very clearly prevent severe cases that burden our healthcare system which is already wildly overburdened.

That doesn't square with Massachusetts, with around 90% of people having taken at least one shot, bringing in the National Guard to support the hospitals. Did they do that last year at this time, with practically zero percent vaccinated?

Thank you for saying that that it was a failure of public health messaging that vaccines would stop Covid spread. It's one of many failures in the last couple years. I hope you can understand why many of us have stopped listening to an apparatus that continually puts out poor messaging (including the absurd idea of mandating these vaccines for daily activities).

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Thank you for saying that that it was a failure of public health messaging that vaccines would stop Covid spread.

There was a qualifier to this which was fairly obvious.

People actually need to take them for it to work. We're no where near the level needed for that to happen.

[Nirvana11]

Originally Posted by lrfox

There are several posts that have actual data on the value of the vaccines. From experts. Vaccines reduce severe cases, hospitalization, and death. That's not even remotely debatable at this point. Transmission is fine if it's largely just the sniffles and the unvaccinated masses aren't taking ICU beds away from other people who don't have the option of a shot that can keep them out of there. Would it be great if the vaccines completely eliminated spread? Yes (though studies do indicate that boosted individuals are less likely to spread it). The implication a year ago that vaccines would stop COVID spread was a failure of public health messaging. But that does not negate the value of the vaccines in the slightest. They very clearly prevent severe cases that burden our healthcare system which is already wildly overburdened.

In all seriousness - at this point it’s a wasted effort (time, money and mental well-being) to convince the unvaccinated about how vaccines help. I think the focus should be vaccinating the “willing” global population (countries where population are willing but don’t have the resources to acquire the vaccines). My personal opinion is that most of the variants will have origin in those countries vs unvaccinated population in the western world.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

That doesn't square with Massachusetts, with around 90% of people having taken at least one shot, bringing in the National Guard to support the hospitals. Did they do that last year at this time, with practically zero percent vaccinated?

Thank you for saying that that it was a failure of public health messaging that vaccines would stop Covid spread. It's one of many failures in the last couple years. I hope you can understand why many of us have stopped listening to an apparatus that continually puts out poor messaging (including the absurd idea of mandating these vaccines for daily activities).

Huh? Our MA DPH publishes the % of deaths and hospitalizations that are vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. The latter are still the overwhelming majority.

[mdovell]

No peer review means "dont look up" see it for the impact (literally)

anyways it isn't a protected class and therefore you can get fired for not getting it

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/07/citi...d-workers.html

It is starting. We want people back to the office and we keep having this back and forth this is the only real way to do so.

I'll expect the majority of other major finance, insurance, tech, dot com etc to follow suit within a few months.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by mdovell

No peer review means "dont look up" see it for the impact (literally)

anyways it isn't a protected class and therefore you can get fired for not getting it

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/07/citi...d-workers.html

It is starting. We want people back to the office and we keep having this back and forth this is the only real way to do so.

I'll expect the majority of other major finance, insurance, tech, dot com etc to follow suit within a few months.

The vaccine does not stop the spread how thick can you people be. 90 percent of mass is vaccinated.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

Huh? Our MA DPH publishes the % of deaths and hospitalizations that are vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. The latter are still the overwhelming majority.

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...outputType=amp

From the first thing a quick Google turned up for a citation: Three weeks ago information. Must be fake news since it doesn’t align with the “but mah rights” narrative.

As of Friday, 71% of COVID hospitalizations are among those who are not fully vaccinated.

Again, it’s your civic duty to get vaccinated to ease the meltdown in the hospitals. Anyone not vaccinating is incredibly selfish.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...outputType=amp

From the first thing a quick Google turned up for a citation: Three weeks ago information. Must be fake news since it doesn’t align with the “but mah rights” narrative.



Again, it’s your civic duty to get vaccinated to ease the meltdown in the hospitals. Anyone not vaccinating is incredibly selfish.

Thank you. I sometimes don't link to stuff that's easy to Google, but good to confirm.