Report finds MA Roadways Dangerous (Milton, Washington: home, luxury, safest)

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by msRB311

The point is there's been some bad car accidents in MA lately. Like how the hell did that happen accidents. Driving wrong way in the road, crashing into apple stores and other buildings. I don't really care where it's happening elsewhere but we know it's happening in MA. It's actually funny that people seem to get angry about people posting about bad things happening in MA.

It's also "funny" that people think its enjoyable to post pictures of domestic violence victims in VT in a MA forum too.

And posting links to these accidents in now way helps explain how they happened, so that is clearly not the goal.

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Safety reports places MA with 9 other states, as most dangerous:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...ne/ar-AA14YsAq

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

The notion that there is one singular point being argued in this thread is funny, and exemplifies a myopic view in itself.

You are the originator of this thread. You made a single, seemingly decisive statement: that MA, along with 9 other states, has the most dangerous roads in the US.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

You are th originator of this thread. You made a single, seemingly decisive statement: that MA is, along with 9 other states, has the most dangerous roads in the US.

Of course that is not at all what the story actually said.

People are reading it that way, if they actually bothered to read it, but its not saying MA is in the top 10 most dangerous states for driving.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

You are th originator of this thread. You made a single, seemingly decisive statement: that MA is, along with 9 other states, has the most dangerous roads in the US.

That's an absolute fabrication. I simply posted a link to the report and summarized precisely what the report asserts. You, on the other hand, came here and asserted that danger = fatality. That's a debatable assessment, not a fact. You've been using that argument as your backdrop ever since, despite the many other valid points made by many others regarding other possible variables affecting fatality rates, and some of us have also acknowledged the weaknesses of the benchmarks used for the report all of which you choose to ignore. You're free to make your argument, and I know you're the smartest guy in the room, but that doesn't mean you've defined the single point being argued. This is a discussion thread and there are a number of arguments being made and ideas discussed here.

[WestieWhitie]

It’s a wonderful combination of crazy drivers and roads that eat tires and suspension for breakfast thanks to all the grift and corruption where money intended for infrastructure maintenance always ends up in someone’s pockets.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

and suspension for breakfast

Ain't that the truth. Somedays I want to leave MA just so I don't need to replace a suspension part ever again

[msRB311]

Hit & run in chicopee:

https://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news...im-identified/

motorcycle accident on Nantucket:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...crash/2915677/

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

That's an absolute fabrication. I simply posted a link to the report and summarized precisely what the report asserts. You, on the other hand, came here and asserted that danger = fatality. That's a debatable assessment, not a fact. You've been using that argument as your backdrop ever since, despite the many other valid points made by many others regarding other possible variables affecting fatality rates, and some of us have also acknowledged the weaknesses of the benchmarks used for the report all of which you choose to ignore. You're free to make your argument, and I know you're the smartest guy in the room, but that doesn't mean you've defined the single point being argued. This is a discussion thread and there are a number of arguments being made and ideas discussed here.

I wasn't trying to call you out. I don't have issue with any of your arguments here. You posted an article and paraphrased the conclusion. I am disagreeing with that conclusion, which as far as I can tell isn't even your argument. You just posted the article.



And yes, fatality rate is just one metric that goes into determining how dangerous driving is. I fully concede and have continued to concede that point. It seems to me to be an important metric, though. Important enough that any state that is first in that particular metric shouldn't be last overall. I'd rather minimize death (which is easy to find) and serious injury (which I can't seem to find) at the expense of an increased likelihood of a fender-bender. I was hoping that someone would be able to find other, similarly important crash statistics (total incidents, minor injury rates, serious injury rates) that would prove me wrong. Anecdotally I feel a lot safer driving here than other places I've lived and if that isn't reasonable I'd like to know. Or if someone else has a different metric that's fine and we can disagree. I seriously doubt MA has the safest roads across all possible (or even most) ways of calculating "safe", but I also doubt it's the most dangerous.



The particular poster I was responding to has been citing numerous single incident examples and that is the only thing I took exception to. Those aren't useful for furthering what I thought was the topic of the thread.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

I wasn't trying to call you out. I don't have issue with any of your arguments here. You posted an article and paraphrased the conclusion. I am disagreeing with that conclusion, which as far as I can tell isn't even your argument. You just posted the article.



And yes, fatality rate is just one metric that goes into determining how dangerous driving is. I fully concede and have continued to concede that point. It seems to me to be an important metric, though. Important enough that any state that is first in that particular metric shouldn't be last overall. I'd rather minimize death (which is easy to find) and serious injury (which I can't seem to find) at the expense of an increased likelihood of a fender-bender. I was hoping that someone would be able to find other, similarly important crash statistics (total incidents, minor injury rates, serious injury rates) that would prove me wrong. Anecdotally I feel a lot safer driving here than other places I've lived and if that isn't reasonable I'd like to know. Or if someone else has a different metric that's fine and we can disagree. I seriously doubt MA has the safest roads across all possible (or even most) ways of calculating "safe", but I also doubt it's the most dangerous.



The particular poster I was responding to has been citing numerous single incident examples and that is the only thing I took exception to. Those aren't useful for furthering what I thought was the topic of the thread.

Fine. I posted it to stimulate discussion not to make a singular argument. I haven't seen any reasonably critically thinking posters here outright dismiss that fatality rates shouldn't come into play when determining danger but that they aren't the only factor, and that the fatality rates may be largely influenced by factors less related to individual driving and road conditions and more related to constants having little to do with roadway culture. Yes that's one sentence.

Of course minimizing death is preferable. Question is to what do we credit that lower fatality rate? Is it something we're actually doing, or factors more happenstance?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

Ain't that the truth. Somedays I want to leave MA just so I don't need to replace a suspension part ever again

I had just as many suspension failures when I lived elsewhere in New England. Freeze-thaw cycles that trash roads are hardly unique to Massachusetts.