Is miami really THAT bad?? (Homestead: homes, find a job, income)

[MiamiRob]

Bostonian thanks for your logical reply and having been a resident of the Miami area from the mid 1970s as a child to 2005 I was never shot, mugged, stabbed or robbed whatever crazy assumptions Mack is thinking.
Miami is a huge metro so crime will occur but just like any other large metro you need some street smarts. Mack and as for your assertion that blacks or hispanics will have a problem with you being white it is usually the other way around. As a hispanic I had to deal with absolute racism from many white "anglos" growing up from laughing at many Cubans by calling them rafters, trying to pass an English only amendment in Dade County to them feeling they were powerless politically and them labeling Miami as a "third world city". These white "anglos" fled Miami because they felt the Cubans took over and just as we have seen in many other cities "white flight" occured except this time it wasn't to avoid blacks but Cubans and other hispanics.
The ones who stayed are truly the tolerant ones trying to deal with such a crazy multi cultural mosaic that Miami has become.

[blank check]

Originally Posted by MiamiRob

Bostonian thanks for your logical reply and having been a resident of the Miami area from the mid 1970s as a child to 2005 I was never shot, mugged, stabbed or robbed whatever crazy assumptions Mack is thinking.
Miami is a huge metro so crime will occur but just like any other large metro you need some street smarts. Mack and as for your assertion that blacks or hispanics will have a problem with you being white it is usually the other way around. As a hispanic I had to deal with absolute racism from many white "anglos" growing up from laughing at many Cubans by calling them rafters, trying to pass an English only amendment in Dade County to them feeling they were powerless politically and them labeling Miami as a "third world city". These white "anglos" fled Miami because they felt the Cubans took over and just as we have seen in many other cities "white flight" occured except this time it wasn't to avoid blacks but Cubans and other hispanics.
The ones who stayed are truly the tolerant ones trying to deal with such a crazy multi cultural mosaic that Miami has become.

The world's smallest violin is playing for you... I wish there was a way to track the lowering of standards over time, because I am sure Miami's standards have lowered significantly.

[MiamiRob]

blank I do not need your violin but if you read my post again I did include actual events that did occur in Miami including the huge billboard on I-95 in the early 80s telling us that the last American leaving Miami to please bring the flag with them.
By the way please define your "standards"?

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Yes, Miami really is THAT bad.

I've lived here for 6 years and I've well and truly had enough. I'm tired of the reckless drivers, the horrible customer service, the discrimination for not speaking Spanish and the lack of stimulus in this god-forsaken swamp town, filled with probably the worst scumbags I've ever encountered in my life.

It's the people who ruin Miami, not the place itself. Miami should be a tropical paradise city for all walks of life and all ethnic groups to enjoy, but it's not -- it's a place that panders only to the friggin' Cubans who shouldn't be allowed to waltz into this country anymore, because most of them bring nothing but trouble, whether it's the corrupt politicians, the Medicare fraudsters, the murderous drivers or the general POS's who just have a generally nasty attitude.

[blank check]

Originally Posted by MiamiRob

blank I do not need your violin but if you read my post again I did include actual events that did occur in Miami including the huge billboard on I-95 in the early 80s telling us that the last American leaving Miami to please bring the flag with them.
By the way please define your "standards"?

I remember what Miami was like 20 years ago, especially the neighborhoods. They were so much cleaner, there weren't abandoned shopping carts everywhere, there wasn't a Valsan or Sedano food stamp market on every corner, and even though South Beach was a dump, the 'average' areas of Miami (the neighborhoods) were a lot cleaner. The people who moved into the evacuated neighborhoods did not take care of them as well. The changes in Miami have stratified the living standard and eliminated what was once a thriving middle class. Nowadays, you have to live in Coral Gables to be considered 'middle class' or send your kids to a charter or private school for them to receive a decent education.

I would would have agreed with that sign if I had seen it. But the simple truth is that by the late 1970's, Jimmy Carter took it upon himself to make Miami a sacrificial lamb to the immigration movement. That is why in order to get elected here, politicians have to wrap themsleves around the immigration cause, and they always have to be immigrants themselves or have parents who were immigrants.

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Originally Posted by blank check

I remember what Miami was like 20 years ago, especially the neighborhoods. They were so much cleaner, there weren't abandoned shopping carts everywhere, there wasn't a Valsan or Sedano food stamp market on every corner, and even though South Beach was a dump, the 'average' areas of Miami (the neighborhoods) were a lot cleaner. The people who moved into the evacuated neighborhoods did not take care of them as well. The changes in Miami have stratified the living standard and eliminated what was once a thriving middle class. Nowadays, you have to live in Coral Gables to be considered 'middle class' or send your kids to a charter or private school for them to receive a decent education.

I would would have agreed with that sign if I had seen it. But the simple truth is that by the late 1970's, Jimmy Carter took it upon himself to make Miami a sacrificial lamb to the immigration movement. That is why in order to get elected here, politicians have to wrap themsleves around the immigration cause.

Carter was one of the worst US presidents in history -- he allowed the situation in Miami to get so much worse. At least Reagan sent in the DEA, etc and tried to fight back.

[Cougar Beach]

Originally Posted by BCreass

At least Reagan sent in the DEA, etc and tried to fight back.

None of the presidents since Carter made a serious effort to do much of anything on the subject. It was politically expedient for them to just leave it alone. The pandering and groveling that pretty much all politicians did during the Elian Gonzalez controversy underlined it.

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

None of the presidents since Carter made a serious effort to do much of anything on the subject. It was politically expedient for them to just leave it alone. The pandering and groveling that pretty much all politicians did during the Elian Gonzalez controversy underlined it.

The sad part is that many Cubans place their political beliefs on the Elian Gonzalez issue. They vote Republican, mainly for that reason. It's really sad that no one (Republican or Democrat) has taken the issue of illegal immigration seriously (and I consider the Cuban wave of immigrants just as "illegal" as the Mexicans who cross the border into California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas).

Personally, I'd vote Republican if there were a Republican willing to stand up against what should be illegal, undocumented immigration. Perhaps Tancredo should be the next Governor of Florida?

[Cougar Beach]

Originally Posted by BCreass

The sad part is that many Cubans place their political beliefs on the Elian Gonzalez issue. They vote Republican, mainly for that reason.

Actually, a lot of old-line Cubans vote Republican because they still remember the Bay of Pigs fiaso, and blame Kennedy, a Democrat. The Elian Gonzalez thing was a bit of a refresher for some who might have wavered.

> Perhaps Tancredo should be the next Governor of Florida?

Whatever my views might be on immigration (which I'm not against; I just think we should have a coherent and fair policy) Tancredo is definitely on my nut-job list.

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

Actually, a lot of old-line Cubans vote Republican because they still remember the Bay of Pigs fiaso, and blame Kennedy, a Democrat. The Elian Gonzalez thing was a bit of a refresher for some who might have wavered.

> Perhaps Tancredo should be the next Governor of Florida?

Whatever my views might be on immigration (which I'm not against; I just think we should have a coherent and fair policy) Tancredo is definitely on my nut-job list.

Fair play -- not that I'm a fan of his, but I must admit, I partially agreed with his assessment of Miami.

For the record, I'm not against immigration either, but I am against the favoritism of the "wet foot, dry foot" policy and the undocumented, unvetted immigration that it brings to the United States (which is a major threat, IMO).

I actually wish that Miami were more diverse.