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Old 10-24-2014, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I really think MN is a great state and the Twin Cities are great cities. Maybe one of the best kept secrets in the US. I think most people who have never been here have a very skewed view of what Minnesota is like. And I know there is a lot of pride many Minnesotans take in their home. That's not a bad thing in my opinion.

What I do wonder is this: Do Minnesotans have an overly inflated pride of the TCs? Or is it really as good as we think?

Over all, yes, there are certainly better places in the world to live than here. But I also think we have a great way of life and standard of living here that is better than most other US cities. Perhaps because we have a great city, and most other parts of the country think we are some backwoods hillybillys with an accent, in a cold far away place (or something like that), we want to convince everyone that MN is actually much better than their perception of it. And it makes us snobby?

Just some thoughts - what do you think?
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I really think MN is a great state and the Twin Cities are great cities. Maybe one of the best kept secrets in the US. I think most people who have never been here have a very skewed view of what Minnesota is like. And I know there is a lot of pride many Minnesotans take in their home. That's not a bad thing in my opinion.

What I do wonder is this: Do Minnesotans have an overly inflated pride of the TCs? Or is it really as good as we think?

Over all, yes, there are certainly better places in the world to live than here. But I also think we have a great way of life and standard of living here that is better than most other US cities. Perhaps because we have a great city, and most other parts of the country think we are some backwoods hillybillys with an accent, in a cold far away place (or something like that), we want to convince everyone that MN is actually much better than their perception of it. And it makes us snobby?

Just some thoughts - what do you think?
I think the next Nicollet Mall Project should consider installing talking Pillars of Fire along the promenade that will not only provide warmth but can also dispense advice, chamber of commerce tidbits and when needed, admonisments and encouragement to passerby.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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I think the next Nicollet Mall Project should consider installing talking Pillars of Fire along the promenade that will not only provide warmth but can also dispense advice and chamber of commerce tidbits.
that actually sounds pretty cool
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I used to be sort of put off by these people but now i can see where they come from.

When people from one of the best metro areas in the country show appreciation towards their home i think they come across as snobby... though they don't mean to be snobby, they are just stating the facts.

We do live in a great city. The Cities can sometimes be compared to Seattle, just not as urban but still has that hipster/educated/progressive vibe and its also mostly a pretty safe city. We have suburbs that feel like those streetcar suburbs of Chicago (Stillwater, White Bear Lake, Hudson, Hopkins, Wayzata) and suburbs that are like those in the DFW area (Woodbury, Maple Grove, Plymouth, Apple Valley). its like the perfect metro area.
And that's why people think you guys are snobby. No metro is "perfect", because everyone has different definitions of what perfection is. Maybe if you fit the mold or stereotype for a good Minnesotan (White, upper middle class, christian, suburbophiles) then sure, there's no place better. But for many people, the metro is far from perfect. It lacks urbanness, diversity, and culture that many people want.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I don't think "urbanness, diversity and culture" are really a big factor people are looking for in life.

Those who do like urbanness and diversity shouldn't have a hard time finding a nice home in the cities, idk what you mean by culture.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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And that's why people think you guys are snobby. No metro is "perfect", because everyone has different definitions of what perfection is. Maybe if you fit the mold or stereotype for a good Minnesotan (White, upper middle class, christian, suburbophiles) then sure, there's no place better. But for many people, the metro is far from perfect. It lacks urbanness, diversity, and culture that many people want.
There's another thread here where people argue that we're too diverse.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/minne...d-10-a-14.html

Now go back to discussing how to prevent burning rivers on the Cleveland forum. Or is that an unfair stereotype?
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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There's another thread here where people argue that we're too diverse.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/minne...d-10-a-14.html

Now go back to discussing how to prevent burning rivers on the Cleveland forum. Or is that an unfair stereotype?
Exactly, Minneapolis is perfect for people like that. And as far as people not wanting urbanness and diversity, I strongly disagree. There is a huge "back to cities" movement going on in many of the more urban cities in this country, and urban neighborhoods are the new cool places to live. The walkability, historic architecture, sense of place, public transportation, and diverse community make these places desirable. I would never move to the suburbs, and never move to a city that felt like one, like Minneapolis. Oh, and the river burning happened OVER 40 YEARS AGO, at a time when pollution was rampant throughout the country. The river actually helped spur the environmental movement, and stricter environmental laws around the US. Don't you guys have any new material? I forgot, trends move slowly towards the center of the country.
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Exactly, Minneapolis is perfect for people like that. And as far as people not wanting urbanness and diversity, I strongly disagree. There is a huge "back to cities" movement going on in many of the more urban cities in this country, and urban neighborhoods are the new cool places to live. The walkability, historic architecture, sense of place, public transportation, and community make these places desirable. I would never move to the suburbs, and never move to a city that felt like one, like Minneapolis. Oh, and the river burning happened OVER 40 YEARS AGO. Don't you guys have some new material yet?
Have you ever been to Minneapolis? It certainly isn't a suburb, and in fact it is much denser than Cleveland.
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Have you ever been to Minneapolis? It certainly isn't a suburb, and in fact it is much denser than Cleveland.
It feels suburban though. There are suburbs of Cleveland that are denser than Minneapolis, but they still feel suburban, by virtue of the housing stock, the type of people who live there, the architecture, the public transportation access, and the built environment. An urban area has narrow alleys, somewhat haphazard streets, houses that are close together, small or no front lawns, churches next to houses, next to stores, a mix of old architecture and new, and a mix of people to match.
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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... the river burning happened OVER 40 YEARS AGO, at a time when pollution was rampant throughout the country. The river actually helped spur the environmental movement, and stricter environmental laws around the US. Don't you guys have any new material?...
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