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Northeastern United Republic
Population 2010 : 53.3
Population 2025 : 58.4
Population 2050 : 73.2
GDP 2010 : 2.92 Trillion $
GDP 2025 : 3.2 Trillion $
GDP 2050 : 4.5 Trillion $
Debt 2012 : 250 Billion $
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2010 : 25 Million
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2030 : 39 Million
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2010 : 56 Million
Current Miles of Rail/Transitways 2010 : 7,360 Mi
Future Miles of Rail/Transitways 2030 : 15,380 Mi
Future Miles of Rail/Transitways 2050 : 25,240 Mi
States : 12.5
Capital : Philadelphia
Mega Cities : Boston , New York , Philadelphia , Baltimore , Washington DC
Heavenwood....as you said Texas is about the only state with the wiggle room (my words) to peacefully secede....why is that ? I can not find anything searching google...
This is based on Texas' annexation charter that allowed it to join the US in the first place. Some people incorrectly believe that there is language in either the annexation charter or state constitution that allows Texas to leave voluntarily just as it entered, but this is not the case. Secession, is basically legally impossible for any state. However, what if a state ceased to be? This is the case with Texas.
Under their annexation agreement Texas reserved the right to divide the state itself into several smaller states at their own discretion. These newly formed "states" would then have the right to join with the United States if they so chose. Essentially the way for Texas to legally secede is to basically dissolve the state itself into several component "regions" which would become legally independent nations.
From there "Texas" could simply form its own confederation and essentially be an independent nation. Interestingly enough this exact process has actually been theorized as a way for Republicans to gain control of the Senate. If Texas suddenly splintered into five regions (the maximum allowed under the charter) and then each of those new states joined the US, each would gain representation from two Senators. Basically, Texas could suddenly add 8 additional Senators to Congress and flip the balance of power.
The other reasons that secession would be theoretically possible in Texas is do to the fact that Texas is essentially the only "self-sufficient" state. The vast majority of Texas is not connected to the national power grid. Indeed the nation is divided into three power regions...the Eastern Interconnect, the Western Interconnect and the Texas Interconnect. Around 85% of Texas is supplied electricity from the Texas Interconnect and all of that energy is produced and distributed within Texas itself and they are largely free of any federal oversight. Texas also has large oil reserves, refineries and natural gas supplies. On top of that Texas is water self-sufficient, produces a massive variety of food products (more then enough to meet demands in the state) and also has a massive and varied industrial base ranging from refining to aerospace to computer chip manufacturing. In terms of defense the Texas National Guard is one of the largest, best equipped and most capable NG's in the nation.
I don't think it will ever happen, but if it did, Texas is the one state that could, in theory pull it off legally and actually succeed in the attempt and form a workable independent nation.
Northeastern United Republic
Population 2010 : 53.3
Population 2025 : 58.4
Population 2050 : 73.2
GDP 2010 : 2.92 Trillion $
GDP 2025 : 3.2 Trillion $
GDP 2050 : 4.5 Trillion $
Debt 2012 : 250 Billion $
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2010 : 25 Million
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2030 : 39 Million
Public Transit Usage & Alt Commuting methods 2010 : 56 Million
Current Miles of Rail/Transitways 2010 : 7,360 Mi
Future Miles of Rail/Transitways 2030 : 15,380 Mi
Future Miles of Rail/Transitways 2050 : 25,240 Mi
States : 12.5
Capital : Philadelphia
Mega Cities : Boston , New York , Philadelphia , Baltimore , Washington DC
There have been several secession movements in US history that went well beyond just posting petitions on a website. One of the more serious ones early in the nations history was basically predicated on what you were talking about here to an extent. New England, greatly upset over what it viewed as the dissolution of the Federalists in favor of Democratic-Republicans and the "tyranny of the Virginia political dynasty" actually held a convention in 1814 to discuss secession and forming a "New England Confederation" allied with Lower Canada that would then seek to normalize relations and enter Great Britains good graces once again. High on their list of grievances was the Louisianna Purchase which they viewed as being beyond power of the Federal government, the signing of the Alien and Sedition Acts which greatly hampered New England commerce and the War of 1812 which most of New England was opposed to. They held a convention in Hartford and drafted a report that proposed seven new constitutional amendments to deal with...
"the overrepresentation of white southerners in Congress, the growing power of the West, the trade restrictions and the war, the influence of foreigners, and the Virginia dynasty's domination of national politics"
Massachusetts and Connecticut both endorsed the report and the delegate's were on their way to Washington DC when news of the war ending reached them. The end of the war led to a more moderating stance and the report and the amendments were never presented. It did however mark the moment that New England and the Federalist parties saw a large decrease in their national influence.
I don't get why people really create petitions to secede. Even if a US state chose to secede with its population completely in agreement to do so, wouldn't the US just force control over it/invade it if need be? Every single aspect of the US gov in the state would have to be removed or taken over anyway, which wouldn't happen.
People would be more productive talking about time travel. ;-)
If Texas secedes, I demand the Cowboys not be allowed to play in the NFL.
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