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Old 07-21-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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Why is it a problem letting the licensing boards verify the legality of the applicants. I don't remember hearing any outcry from the licensing boards about having to do this all these years.
I'm sure the licensing boards are thrilled to be free of that chore. It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the bill. What a nightmare to have to deny a license to some immigrant who just finished re-taking x years of dental or pharmacy school to be able to practice in the US because of some snafu with their green card. Especially given how dysfunctional DHS is these days.

What other entities should be required to verify work eligibility? Banks? Landlords? The cable company? Where does it stop?
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Old 07-21-2020, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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I'm sure the licensing boards are thrilled to be free of that chore. It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the bill. What a nightmare to have to deny a license to some immigrant who just finished re-taking x years of dental or pharmacy school to be able to practice in the US because of some snafu with their green card. Especially given how dysfunctional DHS is these days.

What other entities should be required to verify work eligibility? Banks? Landlords? The cable company? Where does it stop?
Banks already require you to be here legally to open an account. If you don’t have a current visa in your passport you need a green card or work authorization card to open a new account. It wasn’t like that a few years ago. We actually have to refuse existing clients from opening accounts for this reason, which is always an awkward conversation.
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Old 07-21-2020, 07:41 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I'm sure the licensing boards are thrilled to be free of that chore. It wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the bill. What a nightmare to have to deny a license to some immigrant who just finished re-taking x years of dental or pharmacy school to be able to practice in the US because of some snafu with their green card. Especially given how dysfunctional DHS is these days.

What other entities should be required to verify work eligibility? Banks? Landlords? The cable company? Where does it stop?
You say this like it would be a bad thing. Shouldn't it be hard for people here illegally to live a normal life? If they can sneak in and lead a normal life, then what is the incentive to come in the right way? I think it should be difficult for them to do everything. Then they won't come. Then we could regulate how many workers of different trades can enter the country, based on our needs rather than theirs. As I said in another post, that is the whole reason for immigration laws.

If you let in too many poor unskilled workers at one time, the wages for unskilled workers goes down. Any time an industry wants to bring down wages in their sector, they lobby for more visas. Maybe we should take in more legal immigrants, I don't know. But as long as we have a completely unregulated stream of illegal immigrants entering our country, I cant see there being much enthusiasm for that. I think if we ever stop the illegals, there might be a lot more support for increasing legal immigration.
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Old 07-21-2020, 10:28 PM
 
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Oh, I see why you said that now. That’s never really my argument though. I would hope that immigrants who come here, illegally or not, strive for more than simply the jobs Americans don’t want to do.

Immigration laws are meant to protect jobs? That’s news to me. It’s also interesting that you have no problem with legal immigrants taking American jobs. Why not just ban all types of immigration if the purpose is to protect our jobs?


Also, I’ve said this before but it bears repeating for everyone else commenting. My parents and many aunts and uncles came to this country illegal. I’m thankful everyday that they made that choice. My bias is clear. I do not care about US immigration laws. Kind of like you don’t care about the law requiring you to have a front license plate on your car (that last part was a joke... sort of).
Legal immigrants are LEGAL. Helllooooo?

So your family is chock full of illegals (criminals) and you think you & your family members deserve something from legal tax paying citizens?

Why do you think that?

No..you all need to be sent back to where you came from and do what others have done - come to this country LEGALLY.

What do you NOT understand?
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Old 07-21-2020, 11:08 PM
 
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Why should the licensing board be involved in verifying right to work on top of all the other credentials? Employers are responsible for verifying work eligibility. If the "illegal" gets a license but then can't get a job, what's the point? Are you worried about a bunch of illegal anesthesiologists moving to NJ and taking your job? lol
Are you for real?

Illegals shouldn't BE IN THIS COUNTRY to begin with.

But the left LURVES them some illegals, with zero skills...an illegal claiming "I'm an anesthesiologist". LOL!!!

On what frigging planet did you even think you could compare criminals (illegal aliens) with ZERO skills (other than popping kids out, left and right & living off of legal citizens and their tax payer dollars) vs. a doctor...who isn't an illegal?

GTFO.

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Old 07-22-2020, 07:17 AM
 
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As far as I know, the bill doesn't say anything about dreamers in it. If it was specifically for dreamers, then I don't think I would find it to be such a big deal, but I am pretty sure the democrats mades sure to include ALL illegal aliens in the bill.

So unless they change the wording to only include people who qualify for the dream act, I am very much against this bill.
Aren’t many articles that I can find on it, I went by this one from February from WHYY when they were drafting the law. Everything I can find says “certain” immigrants not blanket all illegal immigrants. The source linked in the original article is from an anti-immigration organization, so I prefer to find some thing a little less biased.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/whyy.or...-licenses/amp/

I think for most it’s a given that they’ve been here for quite a while. You can’t get the licenses without the schooling and the degree as well as passing the licensure exam. I don’t think there are a lot of lawyers or physical therapists sneaking over the border.
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Old 07-22-2020, 07:59 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Aren’t many articles that I can find on it, I went by this one from February from WHYY when they were drafting the law. Everything I can find says “certain” immigrants not blanket all illegal immigrants. The source linked in the original article is from an anti-immigration organization, so I prefer to find some thing a little less biased.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/whyy.or...-licenses/amp/

I think for most it’s a given that they’ve been here for quite a while. You can’t get the licenses without the schooling and the degree as well as passing the licensure exam. I don’t think there are a lot of lawyers or physical therapists sneaking over the border.
So lets not concentrate on lawyers or physical therapists. How about some of these licenses, that don't require years of postgraduate education, or in many cases, not even a college degree?

Acupuncturists
Alcohol & Drug Counselor
Associate Counselor
Associate Home Inspector
Athletic Trainer
Barber
Beautician
Burglar Alarm Specialist

Cemetery Board
Contractor/Construction
Cosmetologist
Cosmetology Teacher
Court Reporter

Dental Hygienist
Dental Assistant
Electrical Contractor
Electrologist
Electrologist Instructor
Embalmer

Fire Alarm Installer
Funeral Director

Hearing Aid Dispenser
Home Inspector
Homemaker-Home Health Aide

Locksmith

Manicurist
Massage and Bodywork Therapy
Master Plumber
Mortician

Occupational Therapist Assistant
Ophthalmic Dispenser
Ophthalmic Technician
Orthotist

Perfusionist
Physical Therapist Assistant
Plumber, Master
Polysomnography
Prosthetist

Real Estate Appraiser



Also, the bill that passed the Senate states this:

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.Senate Bill (SB) 2455 states, “Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule, or regulation, lawful presence in the United States shall not be required to obtain a professional or occupational license provided that the applicant meets all other requirements for licensure.”
Nothing about singling out DACA recipients. It states "lawful presence in the United States shall not be required.....".
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Old 07-22-2020, 08:16 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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And this is why ILLEGAL Aliens flock to NJ. We are spending billions on a wall to keep illegals out and NJ says come on we'll take care of you.
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:40 AM
 
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So lets not concentrate on lawyers or physical therapists. How about some of these licenses, that don't require years of postgraduate education, or in many cases, not even a college degree?

Acupuncturists
Alcohol & Drug Counselor
Associate Counselor
Associate Home Inspector
Athletic Trainer
Barber
Beautician
Burglar Alarm Specialist

Cemetery Board
Contractor/Construction
Cosmetologist
Cosmetology Teacher
Court Reporter

Dental Hygienist
Dental Assistant
Electrical Contractor
Electrologist
Electrologist Instructor
Embalmer

Fire Alarm Installer
Funeral Director

Hearing Aid Dispenser
Home Inspector
Homemaker-Home Health Aide

Locksmith

Manicurist
Massage and Bodywork Therapy
Master Plumber
Mortician

Occupational Therapist Assistant
Ophthalmic Dispenser
Ophthalmic Technician
Orthotist

Perfusionist
Physical Therapist Assistant
Plumber, Master
Polysomnography
Prosthetist

Real Estate Appraiser



Also, the bill that passed the Senate states this:



Nothing about singling out DACA recipients. It states "lawful presence in the United States shall not be required.....".

All the above are apparently practicing here anyway, and the vast majority above do require schooling so again it's not like they just got here. Isn't it better that they practice with a license than without? I was trying to find an unbiased source for the bill to see who it encompasses but haven't had luck with the exception of the link I posted.
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Old 07-22-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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And this is why ILLEGAL Aliens flock to NJ. We are spending billions on a wall to keep illegals out and NJ says come on we'll take care of you.

They are in every state. Who do you think is slaughtering the chickens and cows you will eat for dinner tonight in Nebraska and Oklahoma and other states? Again, licensing people ensures the safety of the public.
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