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Asians and Jews do not stick together. During WW2, the Japanese butchered millions of Chinese, enslaved Koreans, etc. The Vietnamese had a brutal civil war from the 50s-70s. In the 70s, China invaded Vietnam. I could go on, but this gives you the general idea.
Madoff defrauded a lot of Jewish people, though Jewish himself. Not all Jews like or get along with each other.
You need to understand that its a dog eat dog world out their and only the wealthy stick together. I laufjed my way to the bank when one of the posters said whites for the most part stick together throughout U. S HISTORY. Asians I was talking about Asian Americans aswell Asian immigrants. Jews for the mostbpart stuck together since they are a tiny minority in this country but look at how well they do when they work together. Bernie Madoff had plenty of people who trusted him him most notably Jews, but many Jews especially here in NY would never belive a man like him will con them in the nations biggest ponzi scheme. Saw a couple of nursing homes who had to closs down because of that guy.
You had white flight, but some other things hit NYC in those days. NYC under mayor John Lindsay lost one million jobs. Lindsay created easy welfare, which ended up causing a lot more drug use and crime. Under Wagner and Lindsay, the percentage of public housing in NYC skyrocketed. Taxpaper money went to support the non working "poor" who could do no wrong according to that type of liberal thinking.
Dont forget that the NYC tax base many who are white left the city causing the city to borrow more money from banks which they could not pay back by Abe Beame tenure. Lucky that Uncle Sam bailed out NYC.
Seems like they were sticking together
overall to gain power and become the
usa to me. They always get their way
to this day, because majority rules.
I don't think just because someone is white they can go up to Bloomberg and Gates and ask for money. For that matter, go to places like the East Village and you'll see no shortage of young homeless white people out on the streets.
Companies like Apple laid off a lot of employees, including whites, in order to offshore to China for cheap labor. Whites sticking together? Utter nonsense.
You do have groups of whites who are entirely marginalized from the "mainstream" "white" society. The poor, gays, Jews at times, and at times recent immigrant from whatever European country isn't like at the time.
You had white flight, but some other things hit NYC in those days. NYC under mayor John Lindsay lost one million jobs. Lindsay created easy welfare, which ended up causing a lot more drug use and crime. Under Wagner and Lindsay, the percentage of public housing in NYC skyrocketed. Taxpaper money went to support the non working "poor" who could do no wrong according to that type of liberal thinking.
Yes, you are very right, although... ahem... "some people" on this board will say you are terribly incorrect and have rose colored glasses. In the 1970s the luckless mayor Abe Beane was left with an empty wallet, very large welfare roles, declining tax base, overly aggressively unions, drop in essential services, large scale arson, white flight, etc. Why, well the two liberals before him mortgaged the future and of course, when the bill came due, NY defaulted. Uncle Sam bailed them out...it could not be done today because we don't have the money anymore and we can't take on the debt.
Did the Liberals make the Bronx better--no way. Much worse.
Well no..that's not history. As usual Webster Ave Guy is rewriting history...you are the quintissential revisionist if there ever was.
You should recall that the decimation of NYC was not due to expanded welfare rolls, it was not due to expanded public housing, and it was not due to people of color flooding into NYC. In 1969, NYC had the highest percentage of people working in it's entire history, which includes today! And remember, 1969 the city was full of lots of people of color, and while whites were moving up the ladder and being sold the "dream" of suburban living, NYC was quite stable, the housing stock was still solid, and the city was moving forward.
The actual problem was the unforseen collapse of manufacturing..which created a cascading effect and the eventual near bankruptcy of the city and the economic collapse which devastated NY. Those neighborhoods with the most vulnerable residents (most recent immigrants) were the least prepared/least educated (as the newest immigrants always have been), and were hit the hardest...and everything quickly unraveled.
From that point is where the destruction of NYC began...jobs disappeared, the social fabric disintegrated, wealth evaporated or simply left, buildings were no longer maintained/burned, and all the social ills that came with that.
It had nothing to do with "liberals mortgaging" anything...and everything to do with the collapse of manufacturing. But who needs facts when you can simply rewrite history to agree with whatever view you want..WebsterAveGuy does a great job at it!
The actual problem was the unforseen collapse of manufacturing..which created a cascading effect and the eventual near bankruptcy of the city and the economic collapse which devastated NY. Those neighborhoods with the most vulnerable residents (most recent immigrants) were the least prepared/least educated (as the newest immigrants always have been), and were hit the hardest...and everything quickly unraveled.
From that point is where the destruction of NYC began...jobs disappeared, the social fabric disintegrated, wealth evaporated or simply left, buildings were no longer maintained/burned, and all the social ills that came with that.
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Well no..that's not history. As usual Webster Ave Guy is rewriting history...you are the quintissential revisionist if there ever was.
You should recall that the decimation of NYC was not due to expanded welfare rolls, it was not due to expanded public housing, and it was not due to people of color flooding into NYC. In 1969, NYC had the highest percentage of people working in it's entire history, which includes today! And remember, 1969 the city was full of lots of people of color, and while whites were moving up the ladder and being sold the "dream" of suburban living, NYC was quite stable, the housing stock was still solid, and the city was moving forward.
The actual problem was the unforseen collapse of manufacturing..which created a cascading effect and the eventual near bankruptcy of the city and the economic collapse which devastated NY. Those neighborhoods with the most vulnerable residents (most recent immigrants) were the least prepared/least educated (as the newest immigrants always have been), and were hit the hardest...and everything quickly unraveled.
From that point is where the destruction of NYC began...jobs disappeared, the social fabric disintegrated, wealth evaporated or simply left, buildings were no longer maintained/burned, and all the social ills that came with that.
It had nothing to do with "liberals mortgaging" anything...and everything to do with the collapse of manufacturing. But who needs facts when you can simply rewrite history to agree with whatever view you want..WebsterAveGuy does a great job at it!
Sobro,
Why do you think manufacturing collasped? The taxes in NYC were too high for many of the business to be competative--why? To fund the "Great Society" dream that soon became a nightmare. Why was CON ED the highest priced utility in the US? Taxes. NY State taxes were very high in comparision with many other states (no counting MA) and on top of that NYC taxed at a very high rate.
As more and more poor flocked into NYC due to overly generous social support, the money had to come from somewhere. Right? So NYC borrowed money to pay for the 'guns and butter' of generous liberal policies and making good on its increasing debt. Buy the time ABE BEAME came in to power in the 1970s, the bill was due.
And conversely to your thesis on new immigrants, when jobs disappear, the inbound immigrees usually don't come because there is not work (like the last four years, the number of illegal Mexicans have droped to less than 22% of what it was in 2006). HOWEVER, this was not the case in NYC in the 1970s--why? Well my Historically Backward Pal, NYC SOCIAL SERVICES paid for them to come and stay, not work, have more children than they could pay for, and not become mainstream.
Oh, did the Liberal's GREAT SOCIETY make the Bronx better? No, it concentrated the pathos of poverty into the heart of the Bronx, and today it still reverberates with rancor. Instead of teaching independance it has reinforced dependance.
You know, you never comment on the uncivil and getto behavior that instead of becoming less is becoming more apparent. I tell you, you are the one who ignores facts and interperts History as an apology for socialogical self destruction.
Come on, you are bette than that! Embrace the power of critical thinking! It will liberate you from faux thinking.
Why do you think manufacturing collasped? The taxes in NYC were too high for many of the business to be competative--why? To fund the "Great Society" dream that soon became a nightmare. Why was CON ED the highest priced utility in the US? Taxes. NY State taxes were very high in comparision with many other states (no counting MA) and on top of that NYC taxed at a very high rate.
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Again, you are incorrect
