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Old 02-14-2017, 08:17 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Anyways, I don't see why some people here are so anti-immigrant. Are you willing to pick your fruits and vegetables for $2 an hour? If you want, "real americans" to go ahead and do that type of work, prepare to pay them unionized wages, and have the cost transferred onto your food bills. Same can be said about other products and services - like someone mentioned here about having to save up for a handy man. Yep, it's coming!

Most people who are anti immigration are really deep rooted racists who do not understand fully how the economy works and who themselves couldn't afford to pay a unionized American to pick their fruits and vegetables.

Heck, as an American, if were delivering food, I'd charge my employer at least $20 an hour for cold weather, physical exertion, overtime and lord knows what else!
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:23 AM
 
Location: NYC / BK / Crown Heights
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Anyways, I don't see why some people here are so anti-immigrant. Are you willing to pick your fruits and vegetables for $2 an hour? If you want, "real americans" to go ahead and do that type of work, prepare to pay them unionized wages, and have the cost transferred onto your food bills. Same can be said about other products and services - like someone mentioned here about having to save up for a handy man. Yep, it's coming!

Most people who are anti immigration are really deep rooted racists who do not understand fully how the economy works and who themselves couldn't afford to pay a unionized American to pick their fruits and vegetables.
Huh. I've clearly misinterpreted your username.

Here's a recent NYT article on this topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/u...d-workers.html
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Anyways, I don't see why some people here are so anti-immigrant. Are you willing to pick your fruits and vegetables for $2 an hour? If you want, "real americans" to go ahead and do that type of work, prepare to pay them unionized wages, and have the cost transferred onto your food bills. Same can be said about other products and services - like someone mentioned here about having to save up for a handy man. Yep, it's coming!

Most people who are anti immigration are really deep rooted racists who do not understand fully how the economy works and who themselves couldn't afford to pay a unionized American to pick their fruits and vegetables.

Heck, as an American, if were delivering food, I'd charge my employer at least $20 an hour for cold weather, physical exertion, overtime and lord knows what else!
Yet another liberal trying to blur the lines between legal and illegal. No illegal is getting 2 bucks an hour. In AZ they are claiming 12-20 and it's usually not by the hour but by volume.

If an illegal business cannot pay a legal wage to a legal worker it should fail. Besides, we already subsidize farmers.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Anyways, I don't see why some people here are so anti-immigrant. Are you willing to pick your fruits and vegetables for $2 an hour? If you want, "real americans" to go ahead and do that type of work, prepare to pay them unionized wages, and have the cost transferred onto your food bills. Same can be said about other products and services - like someone mentioned here about having to save up for a handy man. Yep, it's coming!

Most people who are anti immigration are really deep rooted racists who do not understand fully how the economy works and who themselves couldn't afford to pay a unionized American to pick their fruits and vegetables.

Heck, as an American, if were delivering food, I'd charge my employer at least $20 an hour for cold weather, physical exertion, overtime and lord knows what else!
Why are people like you so ignorant of the facts?

Do you know the difference between illegal and legal?

People are against ILLEGAL immigrants. People are not against LEGAL immigration.

You do realize that you can still have one without the other, right?
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Most Americans get their info from the mostly liberal and biased news media and have been fed this idea that Trump is against immigration. He is not. He is against illegal immigration.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is already a union so we don't have to "get ready" for anything except fewer illegal drivers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Farm_Workers
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:48 AM
 
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good. The law will be followed and enforced again.
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Old 02-14-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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Yet another liberal trying to blur the lines between legal and illegal. No illegal is getting 2 bucks an hour. In AZ they are claiming 12-20 and it's usually not by the hour but by volume.

If an illegal business cannot pay a legal wage to a legal worker it should fail. Besides, we already subsidize farmers.
they are either willfully ignorant, or deliberately deceitful. I haven't figured out which applies best.


ILLEGAL immigration is NOT THE SAME as LEGAL immigration. They are 2 different things. One follows the law. the other does not.


all the citizens of the world do not have an inherent right to come here illegally and mooch off of our good will.


If the lying liberals are too obtuse to realize this there is not point to continue a discussion because it will go nowhere.


there are enough Americans, veterans, kids in poverty etc.. that need our help before we should be spending resources on people who don't respect our legal immigration process and come here ILLEGALLY.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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they are either willfully ignorant, or deliberately deceitful. I haven't figured out which applies best.


ILLEGAL immigration is NOT THE SAME as LEGAL immigration. They are 2 different things. One follows the law. the other does not.


all the citizens of the world do not have an inherent right to come here illegally and mooch off of our good will.


If the lying liberals are too obtuse to realize this there is not point to continue a discussion because it will go nowhere.


there are enough Americans, veterans, kids in poverty etc.. that need our help before we should be spending resources on people who don't respect our legal immigration process and come here ILLEGALLY.
WELL SAID!! I'd rep you a 1000% points if I could. We have plenty of Americans here suffering, yet our elected officials don't give a damn because they are too busy pandering to people who are here ILLEGALLY. People don't have a problem with LEGAL immigrants. They abide by the law, enter the country LEGALLY and go about their lives accordingly. Our economy can't continue to support a broken system and that's one reason wages are so stagnant here. Too many illegal immigrants coming here willing to work for dirt cheap undercutting Americans in just about EVERY sector (not just the low paying ones).

Some people have this belief that illegal immigrants ONLY do jobs that Americans don't want and that is simply untrue. You can look at the construction sector as a perfect example. Skilled union workers being undercut by illegals coming in and doing the job not only cheaper, but being paid in cash under the table, meaning less taxes paid by the people doing the hiring, which means more money going out of the economy.
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Old 02-14-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Most people who are anti immigration are really deep rooted racists who do not understand fully how the economy works and who themselves couldn't afford to pay a unionized American to pick their fruits and vegetables.
Thats ridiculous and right out of the Liberal Handbook of "No Clue." You fail to consider the price every American [ays to keep these Illegal Criminals here, so they can be exploited by the people who make money off them while the rest of us pay their bills for education, child care, medical expenses, and much more. If anyone has no comprehension of how the economy works, it is likely you, I think. . .
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