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Old 02-13-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Well.. i personally do not make a habit of illegally entering another country. However if the payoff is high, the risk is 40 out of million, and the penalty is detention and ticket home why not....
If they bust the illegals on the job or if the illegal tells ICE where they work, ICE could go after the employers. If employers are too scared to hire, then what would they get out of going to the US?
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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If I am going to be deported I want it to be to Paris, London, or Monte Carlo.


Hmmm, federal policing of New York City sounds more than a bit unconstitutional to me.
So off to District Court>>Appeals Court>>Supreme Court we go...AGAIN.
Of course Trump is appointing a conservative to the Supreme Court, and will soon enough be appointing other federal judges.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Clearly's he's kept promise after promise and moved much faster than any President I've ever seen. I disagree with him a lot, but I cannot accuse of him not not keeping his promises to his base. I think he's permanently shaken up us politics.

A lot of states with Republican majorities are already expanding school vouchers, and the feds will take this up soon enough. And Trump has his one trillion infrastructure plan. And he seriously has gone after illegal immigrants already. I don't mind him going after illegals, but I am against his executive order that prevented people who already had visas and greencards from entering the country as those people had already been vetted and approved by the government. Happy the courts blocked that.

As Trump is moving this fast, I have no doubt those deportation numbers will at least double Obama's.
I don't understand the uproar over a temporary ban? All of the countries listed on the ban had been on Obama's list, and the ban was only going to be in place for 90 days so that the Trump administration could see if tweaks were needed to the vetting process. That seems more than reasonable, but yet no one was up in arms when Obama had these seven countries on his list. The hypocrisy is just pathetic.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Right - that's exactly what jumps to mind about the guy who lives in a trailer with twenty guns and a barbed wire leash on his underfed Doberman who shoots any one that rings his doorbell and thinks the Feds are out to get him - liberal. That just screams liberal.
Example?

Because you can just turn on any news station right this minute for examples of violent leftists who don't deserve gun rights, which is the example I gave.

So again: what is it with leftiss conflating enforcement of laws to minority genocide? Wishful thinking? I don't trust them.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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I don't understand the uproar over a temporary ban? All of the countries listed on the ban had been on Obama's list, and the ban was only going to be in place for 90 days so that the Trump administration could see if tweaks were needed to the vetting process. That seems more than reasonable, but yet no one was up in arms when Obama had these seven countries on his list. The hypocrisy is just pathetic.
Just because Obama did something doesn't make it right. The Sept. 11th hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but that country wasn't subject to a ban because of financial ties to the US. So clearly they weren't really worried about safety, or terrorism.

Lastly the people caught up in the ban were people already approved and in many cases WORKING in the US or STUDYING in the US, or otherwise living here. It took court rulings to overturn Trump's executive order and let these people back in. That's just horrible.

What may have also concerned people is Congress did not vote on this matter . Trump made an unilateral decision and this was a bit authoritarian. He is the President of the United States, not King or Emperor of the United States. And don't hide behind Obama, no one is saying everything he did was right. There were plenty of protest movements during his administration.

Now in regards to illegal immigrants, I think mass deportation would not only affect the real estate prices in Queens and some other parts of the city (prices would drop), you'd have some sectors of the economy affected like the restaurant and bar industries, certain aspects of construction, the domestic services industry (nanny's, cleaners, etc). It's why cities like NYC and LA claimed to be so liberal. They weren't doing this to be nice, they were exploiting immigrants from poor countries and using them for cheap labor and using them to avoid paying payroll taxes. Now if Trump fully implements enforcement of the immigration laws, we'll see how the job market is impacted when these businesses have to pay legitimate workers on the books (think price increases for good and services). New Yorkers would be cooking their food a lot more and going to the liquor store. LOL

Of course this would reduce rents in many city neighborhoods, and reduce public school expenditures, and reduce the demands on CUNY.

Trump has about two years, his opponents will be aiming for the Republicans in the midterm elections. Half the nation did not even vote last time, so keep that in mind.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:32 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Just because Obama did something doesn't make it right. The Sept. 11th hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, but that country wasn't subject to a ban because of financial ties to the US. So clearly they weren't really worried about safety, or terrorism.

Lastly the people caught up in the ban were people already approved and in many cases WORKING in the US or STUDYING in the US, or otherwise living here. It took court rulings to overturn Trump's executive order and let these people back in. That's just horrible.

What may have also concerned people is Congress did not vote on this matter . Trump made an unilateral decision and this was a bit authoritarian. He is the President of the United States, not King or Emperor of the United States. And don't hide behind Obama, no one is saying everything he did was right. There were plenty of protest movements during his administration.

Now in regards to illegal immigrants, I think mass deportation would not only affect the real estate prices in Queens and some other parts of the city (prices would drop), you'd have some sectors of the economy affected like the restaurant and bar industries, certain aspects of construction, the domestic services industry (nanny's, cleaners, etc). It's why cities like NYC and LA claimed to be so liberal. They weren't doing this to be nice, they were exploiting immigrants from poor countries and using them for cheap labor and using them to avoid paying payroll taxes. Now if Trump fully implements enforcement of the immigration laws, we'll see how the job market is impacted when these businesses have to pay legitimate workers on the books (think price increases for good and services). New Yorkers would be cooking their food a lot more and going to the liquor store. LOL

Of course this would reduce rents in many city neighborhoods, and reduce public school expenditures, and reduce the demands on CUNY.

Trump has about two years, his opponents will be aiming for the Republicans in the midterm elections. Half the nation did not even vote last time, so keep that in mind.
The point is that Obama did it and there wasn't ANY uproar over it. Trump does it, and suddenly everyone is yelling about how "horrible" it is. I don't care if people were caught up in the ban. We have to start putting America first, and that's exactly what Trump is doing. It's a temporary ban for 90 days. The judges ruling in this are idiots for not seeing the bigger picture and the threat facing the U.S. France continues to be under attack from terrorists, and the West (which includes the U.S.) will always be on the radar of terrorists. We have to wake up and finally have a resolution to this ongoing border dilemma, and we now have a president that is doing just that. You come here LEGALLY or face deportation. I'm also sick of these illegals being deported for breaking our laws and then they come right back and sneak in again. We have to bolster our borders and gain a true understanding of who is entering and how and stop them. The people who have been vetted will just have to wait until the dust settles. When other countries face security measures, they don't go checking for popularity contests to make sure that everyone agrees. The whole thing is absurd.

I also fault Americans for becoming increasingly lazy. We can cut our own grass again, pick up our deliveries and so on. Enough with hiring cheap ILLEGAL labor. It's this obsession with illegal labor that is driving down wages for Americans to begin with, but too many of us are too stupid to realize this.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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The point is that Obama did it and there wasn't ANY uproar over it. Trump does it, and suddenly everyone is yelling about how "horrible" it is. I don't care if people were caught up in the ban. We have to start putting America first, and that's exactly what Trump is doing. It's a temporary ban for 90 days. The judges ruling in this are idiots for not seeing the bigger picture and the threat facing the U.S. France continues to be under attack from terrorists, and the West (which includes the U.S.) will always be on the radar of terrorists. We have to wake up and finally have a resolution to this ongoing border dilemma, and we now have a president that is doing just that. You come here LEGALLY or face deportation. I'm also sick of these illegals being deported for breaking our laws and then they come right back and sneak in again. We have to bolster our borders and gain a true understanding of who is entering and how and stop them. The people who have been vetted will just have to wait until the dust settles. When other countries face security measures, they don't go checking for popularity contests to make sure that everyone agrees. The whole thing is absurd.

I also fault Americans for becoming increasingly lazy. We can cut our own grass again, pick up our deliveries and so on. Enough with hiring cheap ILLEGAL labor. It's this obsession with illegal labor that is driving down wages for Americans to begin with, but too many of us are too stupid to realize this.
Immigrants protested Obama's immigration policies, to the point where he caved in under pressure and tried to give legal status to many immigrants via executive order. Stop giving alternate facts! People just don't roll over because there's a Democratic president.

Americans have a much greater chance of being killed by other Americans than by terrorists. Is terrorism a thread? No doubt. But it doesn't justify targeting people because of religion or ethnicity. You basically want to say all Muslims or all people from those countries are presumed guilty of a crime, and should be preemptively be punished for it. Hitler did the same during WW2. This is how we get genocidal maniacs.

Trump constitutionally CANNOT unilaterally decide our immigration policy, no matter how broken it is. He has to work things out with Congress. On that alone the judges were right to block him. He's the President, not the emperor, and it's nice to see he got reality checks on what he can do as President.

Much of what he promised can only be done if the Congress approves. They won't approve everything he does, but I do think he'll get a lot of what he wants in two years.
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Immigrants protested Obama's immigration policies, to the point where he caved in under pressure and tried to give legal status to many immigrants via executive order. Stop giving alternate facts! People just don't roll over because there's a Democratic president.

Americans have a much greater chance of being killed by other Americans than by terrorists. Is terrorism a thread? No doubt. But it doesn't justify targeting people because of religion or ethnicity. You basically want to say all Muslims or all people from those countries are presumed guilty of a crime, and should be preemptively be punished for it. Hitler did the same during WW2. This is how we get genocidal maniacs.

Trump constitutionally CANNOT unilaterally decide our immigration policy, no matter how broken it is. He has to work things out with Congress. On that alone the judges were right to block him. He's the President, not the emperor, and it's nice to see he got reality checks on what he can do as President.

Much of what he promised can only be done if the Congress approves. They won't approve everything he does, but I do think he'll get a lot of what he wants in two years.
The media didn't go after Obama in the same way that they've gone after Trump on this issue. We don't need weak leaders in office (which is precisely what Obama was, caving into the wants of people that are here ILLEGALLY. Absurd. That just shows how much power aliens have obtained in this country.

Spare me with the endless possibility routines. We have to start securing our borders and stop making excuses as to why it's okay to have OPEN borders. Americans want a resolution to our illegal immigrant problem. We have laws on the books and they need to be adhered to. If you aren't here legally, you go back to wherever you came from. I don't care why because when I travel to other countries as an American, all that the people at the checkpoints want to see are my papers to enter their country legally, period.

When did Hitler ban all Muslims? Stop with the ridiculous comparisons. This is not WWII and there is no genocide going on here. We have a broken boarder crisis that people like you refuse to admit, with MILLIONS of people here ILLEGALLY, many of whom have not been vetted, but that's okay. We are targeting potential terrorists, drug dealers and traffickers and other people that are coming here to do harm to our country. The sooner more people realize this the better.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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If I am going to be deported I want it to be to Paris, London, or Monte Carlo.
Says the socialist that never even leaves the comforts of Manhattan.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Propaganda FUD news as usual. ICE deportation has been on-going ever since the creation of the agency.
Obama had less people picked up than previous Administrations. Almost by Half as many. Total lack of care for our own Citizens with his open Border mentality. .
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