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We are not depending on NYC public school to teach our children how to be sensible, self-sufficient adults, because thats not what school is for.....soft parents placing their emphasis in the wrong places, thats all.
You are discounting the importance of peer group and competition. The attitudes that children hold about their schools and about work are affected by their peer group relationships, which in turn affect the whole organization of the class. It is one of the main reasons advocates push for more integrated schools.
You are discounting the importance of peer group and competition. The attitudes that children hold about their schools and about work are affected by their peer group relationships, which in turn affect the whole organization of the class. It is one of the main reasons advocates push for more integrated schools.
I'm not discounting it, I addressed it in another post
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See my comments on the tracking, re: they decided that everyone had to be put on a college track or it was racism.
With that said, at the community college level they do indeed hire graduate student tutors to teach the students things like how to fill out applications, resumes, etc. But they're dealing with specialized populations who have been to prison at young ages and never finished high school, who don't have good English language skills, etc. Then again if you're parents or someone else give you basic help in filling out an application, from there on you should know how to fill out other applications including leases. Assuming one is good at reading and writing I don't know there needs to be a class on how to fill out and sign a lease!
Not an entire class, but maybe one day in home ec they show you the process of finding an apartment, or buying a home...
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Ok so then why did they even have home ec in the first place if thats what the parents are for???????
If I had to compare you to fireworks, you would be a sparkler. Lights up and looks nice but aint saying nothing....
You're too stuck on creating your childhood. I found all of my recent places to stay on the internet. Everyone knows about Craigslist. Wanna know how to find a place to stay? Out in the street people can give you leads.
At a certain level a person has to be able to figure something out in their own, assuming the person isn't intellectually impaired/disabled. Any literate person of normal intelligence can fill in blanks in a lease, sign and date it. It's no teachers job to teach those things.
The people who do help people fill out applications work in social services mostly or remedial Ed at community college.
Btw, unless the person is a total crackhead, generally when dealing with white people it's assumed people know how to fill out applications. Don't sell yourself short in claiming that inner city kids have to be taught in school how to fill in the blanks.
School is a gatekeeping function. There is no such school or school system anywhere in the world where all students do equally well. The students who do well enough to get a high school diploma are certified as capable of doing various minimum wage and other jobs. Those who do a lot better are certified good enough to go to college. Those who do well in college can go to grad or professional schools.
In short school gets RID of those deemed unworthy of socioeconomic mobility and this is true around the world.
In China and Germany, kids who do well are given college track prep courses. Kids who don't do well are the ones who have classes where they teach them minor repairs and industrial stuff. In short the school system determined who would be the professional class, and who would be the working class.
All schools produce some kids who do well, and some who don't. Of course some locations produce more who do well due to socioeconomic factors, but there's no one school system that is absolute either way.
Basically, not only in issuing grades but in being willing to write letters of recommendation, it's your school that is essentially determining on whether your kid can go to a 4 year college.
Having worked in some rough schools, you are lucky if the parents show them anything. Some of them don't even have parents.
And actually I worked with a lot of students who never had permanent addresses. In and out of shelters.
Then the broader society outside of just the schools has to address homelessness and mass incarceration. Not everything is on the teachers. But for everything a student doesn't learn how to do, some student is going to know how to do that and outcompete the failed students on applications to college, jobs, etc. Such is life.
Teachers and school officials already have their credentials and there are LIMITS to the concern that they are going to have for students. Ever heard of the adage life is not fair? Those students who are in and out of shelters will ultimately have to figure out some things for themselves.
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