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Oh, maybe! Maybe Northern Italy and Central Spain were in on it, too. Maybe it was all a simulation. Maybe you’re having a fever dream from last night’s welsh rarebit. Maybe I’m your father, and I’m disappointed in you, Billy, and it’s time for you to come home. Maybe!
Maybe you should stay home for the rest of your life and shout from behind the keyboard!
So funny when sheeps say "dont believe china numbers" but they had the strictest shutdown. Same with taiwan, south korea... and now you have a few SHEEPS in here trying to come up with theories as to why these countries are reporting low deaths!
Maybe it must be the strong curry in india! Maybe because Africa is a continent(just learned that recently so Im going to brag about knowing it) and you know covid19 cant spread through borders of neighboring countries!
I have a friend who has asthma so first thing he did he took a covid test it came back negative but then he had an asthma attack so he went to hospital for treatment as usual when the nurse gave him and others people their release papers from hospital it said covid related asthma attack which is BS there was about five others making a big stink about it!! They made such big stink only when they threaten to go the press that head doctor or what ever this person was change the papers!!
Go to the press anyway .
Edit- actually the press arent for the citizens. A video should be made and shared with the documents.
There may be cities in Africa that begin to approach first world conditions, but not whole countries. South Africa is probably the closest, but it's been going downhill. If you doubt me, look at satellite pictures of Africa at night. It gives new meaning to the term "dark continent". Most of it doesn't even have electricity. How are the going to gather health care statistics, especially in a emergent situation.
India is in the same situation. The bigger cities, at least parts of them approach first world conditions. The vast stretches of counteyside, no.
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So you paint the whole of Africa with its 54 countries and India with its millions of doctors and IT people with one broad brush?
Would be like someone saying that all the NY and NJ stats are fake because of the Mafia and Wall Street scammers infiltrating hospitals. Plus Medicare or Medicaid Covid payoffs to a few large hospitals to fudge the stats in the elderly other cause deaths.
The current head of WHO is an Ethiopian and South African hospitals have made world leading breakthroughs for decades. Including the first ever human heart transplant.
Would be funny if Africans are at this very moment saying the same about NY/NJ stats as you are saying about their stats!
3.7 billion population versus 20 million population. Yet fewer Covid-19 deaths in the former.
Manipulation is maybe in NY and several other US states rather than in China and Africa?
I don’t doubt that the US as a whole has handled this whole situation rather poorly. When it comes to the regions mentioned by the TC, it’s worth pointing out that there are factors at play. India had very few cases early on, but in recent weeks the total number of infections as well as the death toll has increased dramatically.
Not part of the regions mentioned but both Brazil and Russia also had very few cases whereas now they are near the top, with the former having the second highest number f deaths.
In Africa’s case, it’s hard to tell, because there are a lot of remote places where access to basic services remain next to nonexistent. That’s why I came up with two theories that I believe are both valid.
China is the one where stats show the situation as being flatlined, as in there’s next to nothing happening, though there have been a few cases reported recently. Whether that’s the result of handling the situation or manipulating data is up for debate. I lean towards the former.
All I can say is that there appears to be a shift. Whereas Europe once had the highest rate of infections and associated deaths, other countries are catching up.
If anyone really thinks covid was some random one in a trillion billion million chance of a virus jumping from a bat in Wuhan to some ******* who then spread it across the world really needs to have their head checked!
The "perfect virus," as some have called it because it doesn't kill children (by and large) clearly didn't end up in NYC by accident. The economic engine of the world. Just like it took a few years to uncover the Russian hoax, the "bat virus" will prove to also be a hoax.
How/when/where this virus was planted will someday be told.
1) Median age in Sub-Sahara Africa is 17. India and North Africa are 27. China is 37. The U.S. is 38. Belgium, U.K., France, Italy, and Spain are over 40. Since coronavirus has the highest death rates in people over 65, obviously Sub-Sahara Africa, North Africa, and India aren’t going to have the deaths per capita as in countries with an older population. It is true that Coronavirus produces no or mild symptoms for 99% of the people under the age of 45. That’s why the increases in new cases is not concerning as a lot of people are being tested now and most of these are young people who will be just fine.
2) Europe is a major spot for tourists and businesspeople who travel to and from China. Genetic sequencing indicates most cases outside of California came from Europe. India and Africa don’t have the travel to and from China by tourists and businesspeople anywhere near Europe. Deaths are lower because coronavirus didn’t spread to India and Sub-Sahara Africa.
3) India and Africa are poorer countries. People who died from coronavirus may not have been listed with coronavirus as cause of death because of a lack of testing, a lack of medical access, and underestimation by officials. If people are dying in shacks, their cause of death isn’t going to be listed a coronavirus.
4) The U.S. falsely attributes deaths to coronavirus. 3 million people die each year. Some of that is from pneumonia, the flu, respiratory illness, and complications from diabetes. Not only would most of these people have died this year anyway, many may have died from something other than coronavirus. The weekly deaths from pneumonia is down 50% since March. We will not know if more people are dying this year than any other year until year end 2020 death figures are compared to the last 5. Also, testing positive for coronavirus doesn’t mean the person died from coronavirus.
It is possible it is a combination. NYC is a tourist and business hotspot with travel from Europe. NYC is a vertical city. Florida has 1/10th the deaths per capita as NY (even with an older and bigger population) because Florida does not have the vertical concentration as NYC does (and DeSantis may have better handled nursing homes). NYC median age is 35. More older people in a dense area means more deaths than low median age countries. Coronavirus deaths probably include people who died of something else. 3 million people die each year in the United States.
China is the one that doesn’t make sense. The virus started in China. It is possible the virus that left China mutated and became more deadly. It is possible the Chinese government was able to lockdown Wuhan early enough so it didn’t spread to the rest of China. The China travel ban worked but it came to the east coast from Europe and it was too late. China had a lot more time to prepare than the United States. It is possible China lied and hundreds of thousands or a million did die. We have no way of knowing since China controls its media. 1 million dead in a country of 1.5 billion isn’t that much. In 2019, 11 million people died in China. It’s easy enough to blend it in over 6 months. Some research indicates Coronavirus may have been around since August. Who knows with China. As I said, it is possible deaths that were attributed to coronavirus in the U.S. were normal deaths caused by the flu or pneumonia. It may be that way in China. We won’t know how bad coronavirus is until a few years when we can look at 2020 deaths and compare it to prior years.
I don’t doubt that the US as a whole has handled this whole situation rather poorly. When it comes to the regions mentioned by the TC, it’s worth pointing out that there are factors at play. India had very few cases early on, but in recent weeks the total number of infections as well as the death toll has increased dramatically.
Not part of the regions mentioned but both Brazil and Russia also had very few cases whereas now they are near the top, with the former having the second highest number f deaths.
In Africa’s case, it’s hard to tell, because there are a lot of remote places where access to basic services remain next to nonexistent. That’s why I came up with two theories that I believe are both valid.
China is the one where stats show the situation as being flatlined, as in there’s next to nothing happening, though there have been a few cases reported recently. Whether that’s the result of handling the situation or manipulating data is up for debate. I lean towards the former.
All I can say is that there appears to be a shift. Whereas Europe once had the highest rate of infections and associated deaths, other countries are catching up.
The U.S. as a whole has handled coronavirus very well. Deaths per million is 1697 in NJ, 1617 in NY, 1200 in Connecticut, 1167 in Massachusetts, 875 in Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, 616 in Michigan, 522 in Maryland, 521 in Delware, and 520 in Pennsylvania. Outside of this area, coronavirus deaths per capita are low. Florida has 158 deaths per million despite having a bigger and older population than NY. The numbers for most other states are 200-300.
The U.S. as a whole is at 389 deaths per million. That compares to 838 for Belgium, over 600 for the U.K. And Spain, 574 for Italy, 550 for Sweden, and 427 for France.
The new daily deaths are in a downtrend. New cases are from younger people being tested. Their death rate of coronavirus is infinitesimally small.
Maybe you should stay home for the rest of your life and shout from behind the keyboard!
So funny when sheeps say "dont believe china numbers" but they had the strictest shutdown. Same with taiwan, south korea... and now you have a few SHEEPS in here trying to come up with theories as to why these countries are reporting low deaths!
Maybe it must be the strong curry in india! Maybe because Africa is a continent(just learned that recently so Im going to brag about knowing it) and you know covid19 cant spread through borders of neighboring countries!
That’s odd. The point of effective responses to this virus is to allow people to go back to relative safety in doing normal day to day life stuff sooner. Even if I choose to go out, the fact is having a large proportion of others choose not to is going to make life still deviate quite a bit from normal.
For China’s numbers, there’s one side where they don’t believe anything China says at all, then there’s disbelieving specific aspects. I’m on the side of believing its later numbers, but not believing its initial numbers especially for Wuhan specifically and there’s good reason for that since it seems apparent that the disease had been ravaging the area for longer while the local Wuhan and Hubei government covered it up which played a large role in how the pandemic was able to spread so widely. It’s not even a large overarching conspiracy there so much as commonly accepted truth that the local government there suppressed information about the pandemic initially until it was obviously out of control and the national government took notice and stepped in. This was all over weibo (sort of like Chinese Twitter) for months, and it was probably the most direct anger towards the CCP since I’ve been alive. What’s especially uncertain is how well their counts take in deaths from coronavirus before the feds stepped in, so it would make sense that the death numbers from covid are lower than the actual numbers since the count currently really only starts partway through the pandemic for Wuhan and Hubei Province that it’s in. However, the draconian actions they took on a federal level almost certainly were effective and the later numbers are likely accurate as friends and family there tell me they’ve been living close to the same as before and most things have opened up. Taiwan, where I also have friends and family, never even had a lockdown.
The US isn’t doing a great job. It didn’t do a great job of prevention and preparedness unlike Taiwan, and it didn’t do an effective job of containment after realizing that it screwed up unlike China.
1) Median age in Sub-Sahara Africa is 17. India and North Africa are 27. China is 37. The U.S. is 38. Belgium, U.K., France, Italy, and Spain are over 40. Since coronavirus has the highest death rates in people over 65, obviously Sub-Sahara Africa, North Africa, and India aren’t going to have the deaths per capita as in countries with an older population. It is true that Coronavirus produces no or mild symptoms for 99% of the people under the age of 45. That’s why the increases in new cases is not concerning as a lot of people are being tested now and most of these are young people who will be just fine.
2) Europe is a major spot for tourists and businesspeople who travel to and from China. Genetic sequencing indicates most cases outside of California came from Europe. India and Africa don’t have the travel to and from China by tourists and businesspeople anywhere near Europe. Deaths are lower because coronavirus didn’t spread to India and Sub-Sahara Africa.
3) India and Africa are poorer countries. People who died from coronavirus may not have been listed with coronavirus as cause of death because of a lack of testing, a lack of medical access, and underestimation by officials. If people are dying in shacks, their cause of death isn’t going to be listed a coronavirus.
4) The U.S. falsely attributes deaths to coronavirus. 3 million people die each year. Some of that is from pneumonia, the flu, respiratory illness, and complications from diabetes. Not only would most of these people have died this year anyway, many may have died from something other than coronavirus. The weekly deaths from pneumonia is down 50% since March. We will not know if more people are dying this year than any other year until year end 2020 death figures are compared to the last 5. Also, testing positive for coronavirus doesn’t mean the person died from coronavirus.
It is possible it is a combination. NYC is a tourist and business hotspot with travel from Europe. NYC is a vertical city. Florida has 1/10th the deaths per capita as NY (even with an older and bigger population) because Florida does not have the vertical concentration as NYC does (and DeSantis may have better handled nursing homes). NYC median age is 35. More older people in a dense area means more deaths than low median age countries. Coronavirus deaths probably include people who died of something else. 3 million people die each year in the United States.
China is the one that doesn’t make sense. The virus started in China. It is possible the virus that left China mutated and became more deadly. It is possible the Chinese government was able to lockdown Wuhan early enough so it didn’t spread to the rest of China. The China travel ban worked but it came to the east coast from Europe and it was too late. China had a lot more time to prepare than the United States. It is possible China lied and hundreds of thousands or a million did die. We have no way of knowing since China controls its media. 1 million dead in a country of 1.5 billion isn’t that much. In 2019, 11 million people died in China. It’s easy enough to blend it in over 6 months. Some research indicates Coronavirus may have been around since August. Who knows with China. As I said, it is possible deaths that were attributed to coronavirus in the U.S. were normal deaths caused by the flu or pneumonia. It may be that way in China. We won’t know how bad coronavirus is until a few years when we can look at 2020 deaths and compare it to prior years.
Would also add in habits and customs as another strong contender for why the spread among different populations might be uneven. That doesn’t sound too crazy to me that peoples who hug and kiss each other for greetings might be a bit more prone to spreading things, and that peoples’s habits and customs at least play a minor role in how quickly the pandemic spreads among a certain people.
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