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I don't think it should be banned anywhere honestly and I don't smoke and I HATE the smell of it. I was just saying, it's easier to avoid it if I know a particular store or restaurant doesn't ban it. I thought it would be easy to avoid outside too, but walking in Manhattan it was not! I was seriously shocked by the numbers of smokers I saw there. With that being said I'm not for government banning it, but banning it in a "public" place would make more sense to me, then forcing private business owners to ban it.
Smoking bans not only consider the customer but also the employees of those establishments. Now, before I get told that working at these places can be avoided, consider the high unemployment rate that continues in NC and for the young worker in particular.
That has nothing to do with this individuals statement, and you know it. The only way drinkers can impose their choice on other's is if they are illegally drinking while driving, which unfortunately still happens a lot. Since smoking is an air purity problem, it is entirely different.
And it wa a problem that could have been easily avoided back when it was up to individual businesses to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishments or not. If a place allowed smoking, one could simply go to another place that did not allow it, thereby avoiding it completely. Drunk drivers, on the other hand, frequently do not advertise themselves before they cause an accident.
This is not about how pleasant an odor is to your olfactory sense. It is about the right for people with severe asthma and allergies to cigarettes to not have to cope with it in public places, especially their apartment complexes. Again, I cite dozens of Epidemiological studies that show a clear correlation between second hand smoke, the onset of Asthma attacks in both children and Adults, and allergic reactions, not to mention more long term health outcomes.
And it wa a problem that could have been easily avoided back when it was up to individual businesses to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishments or not. If a place allowed smoking, one could simply go to another place that did not allow it, thereby avoiding it completely. Drunk drivers, on the other hand, frequently do not advertise themselves before they cause an accident.
You are making a faulty comparison. Drunk driving incidences have gone down since the implementation of strict penalties against it were introduced. There has been a 69% reduction in these incidents, despite the fact that the population has gone up, since stats were taken in the early 1980s.
I don't think it should be banned anywhere honestly and I don't smoke and I HATE the smell of it. I was just saying, it's easier to avoid it if I know a particular store or restaurant doesn't ban it. I thought it would be easy to avoid outside too, but walking in Manhattan it was not! I was seriously shocked by the numbers of smokers I saw there. With that being said I'm not for government banning it, but banning it in a "public" place would make more sense to me, then forcing private business owners to ban it.
It should be banned in places where a person with Severe Asthma or allergy would have a nearly impossible time avoiding it, such as apartment complexes and other public places. Just like drunk driving is banned to prevent accidents in places that must be shared by other drivers. Which I might add, has been a statistical success.
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This is not about how pleasant an odor is to your olfactory sense. It is about the right for people with severe asthma and allergies to cigarettes to not have to cope with it in public places, especially their apartment complexes. Again, I cite dozens of Epidemiological studies that show a clear correlation between second hand smoke, the onset of Asthma attacks in both children and Adults, and allergic reactions, not to mention more long term health outcomes.
Apartment complexes are not public property. If a landlord wants a smoke-free complex that is his right. The complaint that I initially responded to was smoking on public sidewalks. That certainly is olfactory as the smoke is dispersing & public sidewalk is just that, public.
If you do not understand what went on in Prohibition, & what was behind it, I suggest that you learn.
Apartment complexes are not public property. If a landlord wants a smoke-free complex that is his right.
Exactly. And if they allow smoking on their property, be it anywhere, or just in outside spaces (like patios and balconies) that is their right too. If smoking in an apartment complex is something that a person would object to, for any reason, all they have to do is ask about the complex's smoking policy and, if they don't like it, they go look at another apartment.
Apartment complexes are not public property. If a landlord wants a smoke-free complex that is his right. The complaint that I initially responded to was smoking on public sidewalks. That certainly is olfactory as the smoke is dispersing & public sidewalk is just that, public.
If you do not understand what went on in Prohibition, & what was behind it, I suggest that you learn.
I can show you a handful of studies which disagree with that. But I do agree that when it is in a consistently confined space, the effects are worse.
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