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However, the current uptick in vaccine refusal is a direct result of the reaction to Wakefield, the likes of McCarthy, and the inability of a group of vocal, mostly educated people, who cannot accept that Wakefield is a crook. No one likes to admit he has been duped. It makes him look weak.
Based on what? Do you have a citation of a survey of parents that have refused vaccines that demonstrates this claim? For example, I think its unlikely that higher income and educated parents are taking tips from Jenny McCarthy. I refused some vaccines and I have no idea,nor do I care, what she says.
The measles vaccine does not, in general, wane over time instead some people fail to develop immunity after getting the vaccine.
Um, yeah, it does. There is a lot of controversy right now over the smallpox shots some of us got a long time ago. The current thinking is that many of us who got the shots are no longer as protected as we used to be, because the immunity the shot gave us has waned.
"Indeed, many adults who were vaccinated for measles decades ago as children are now highly susceptible to the virus—perhaps as many as one in 10 of those who were immunized, infectious disease experts say.
That's because as the years pass, people lose their original protections from childhood vaccines that come in the form of disease-battling antibodies and "memory cells" that attack infections if the body is ever again exposed, doctors say.
"With time, especially if you don't get natural boosting by being exposed to people with that same illness, your memory cells may tend to forget," said Dr. Marcelo Laufer, chief of the division of infectious diseases at Miami Children's Hospital.
That waning defense, years after childhood immunizations, holds true for measles, whooping cough and chicken pox, Laufer said.
Amid the expanding measles outbreak, previously immunized adults should consider getting measles booster shots, said Dr. James Cherry, who specializes in pediatric infectious diseases at Mattel Children's Hospital UCLA in Los Angeles"
Based on what? Do you have a citation of a survey of parents that have refused vaccines that demonstrates this claim? For example, I think its unlikely that higher income and educated parents are taking tips from Jenny McCarthy. I refused some vaccines and I have no idea,nor do I care, what she says.
"3. Vaccines cause autism.
I really, really wish that we knew what causes autism. It is heartbreaking to work with the families of autistic children and not be able to give them an explanation. And when they have a new baby, it's truly terrifying to be on the journey with them, staring at that child, wondering what, if anything, we should do differently. But we've looked at this, again and again, and we just can't find any solid evidence to show that vaccines cause autism. For more details and information about this, check out the latest report from the Institute of Medicine."
"In California, both NME [non-medical exemptions]and pertussis clusters were associated with factors characteristic of high socioeconomic status such as lower population density; lower average family size; lower percentage of racial or ethnic minorities; higher percentage of high school, college, or graduate school graduates; higher median household income; and lower percentage of families in poverty.
"Most parents agreed that vaccines protect their child(ren) from diseases; however, more than half of the respondents also expressed concerns regarding serious adverse effects. Overall, 11.5% of the parents had refused at least 1 recommended vaccine. Women were more likely to be concerned about serious adverse effects, to believe that some vaccines cause autism, and to have ever refused a vaccine for their child(ren). Hispanic parents were more likely than white or black parents to report that they generally follow their doctor's recommendations about vaccines for their children and less likely to have ever refused a vaccine. Hispanic parents were also more likely to be concerned about serious adverse effects of vaccines and to believe that some vaccines cause autism."
"Generally, the consecutive ordering of parental/delay refusal described previously defined a continuum that also was associated with factors related to higher socioeconomic status. For example, children whose parents delayed and refused vaccines were -significantly more likely to live in a household with an annual income >400% of the federal poverty level; to have a mother who was married, ≥ 30 years of age, English-speaking, or a college graduate; to be covered by private health insurance; and to live in a household with ≥4 children who were 18 years of age or younger. Also, children whose parents delayed and refused were more likely to be of non-Hispanic white race/ethnicity than those who neither delayed nor refused."
"There is often a 'compression' bias which causes people to over-estimate the frequency of rare risks such as those associated with vaccination. 'Ambiguity aversion' influences people to favor known risks such as those from diseases rather than unknown risks that are less frequent such as the possibility for vaccine adverse reactions. Further, there is a preference for 'natural risks' (disease) over 'manmade risks' (vaccination). There is a preference for 'errors of omission' (risks of not vaccinating) over 'errors of commission' (risks of vaccination). Reports of vaccine adverse events are often distorted and amplified through sensationalistic media coverage and rapid dissemination of misinformation on the internet. Therefore, events that are 'accessible' can lead to an over-estimation of frequency. When considering the risks and benefits of vaccination, the 'compression' heuristic leads to an over-estimation of rare risks such as vaccine adverse reactions and an under-estimation of frequent risks such as those from many vaccine preventable diseases."
"Further, there were gender differences among parents. Women were more likely than men to place at least some trust in parents claiming a vaccine hurt child, as well as celebrities, television shows, magazines and news articles for vaccine safety."
Jenny McCarthy has been one of the most insistent voices pushing the "vaccines cause autism" myth. The refusers who have autism concerns have heard her message, if not directly from her lips.
Um, yeah, it does. There is a lot of controversy right now over the smallpox shots some of us got a long time ago. The current thinking is that many of us who got the shots are no longer as protected as we used to be, because the immunity the shot gave us has waned.
What controversy? People stopped getting the smallpox vaccine years ago, whether older people that got it need a booster isn't important because small pox was eradicated. In any case, whether you get a vaccine or the actual disease your immunity will wane over time but that doesn't mean your immunity vanishes and you need a booster. With attenuated vaccines, like the measles vaccine, you generally don't need boosters because they are exposing you to a live virus. Though with other types of vaccines you do often need boosters. For the few that do end up getting the disease despite getting the vaccine, its usually a mild case compared to the person that didn't receive the vaccine.
The CDC doesn't recommend a measles booster for adults that have already been vaccinated and its clear that the current outbreak is due to people that never got the vaccine.
What controversy? People stopped getting the smallpox vaccine years ago, whether older people that got it need a booster isn't important because small pox was eradicated. In any case, whether you get a vaccine or the actual disease your immunity will wane over time but that doesn't mean your immunity vanishes and you need a booster. With attenuated vaccines, like the measles vaccine, you generally don't need boosters because they are exposing you to a live virus. Though with other types of vaccines you do often need boosters. For the few that do end up getting the disease despite getting the vaccine, its usually a mild case compared to the person that didn't receive the vaccine.
The CDC doesn't recommend a measles booster for adults that have already been vaccinated and its clear that the current outbreak is due to people that never got the vaccine.
Small Pox was eradicated in the US. Now with people coming from all around the world,both legal and illegal, diseases are showing up again.
This isn't a survey, it is what one person happens to hear and they didn't say anything about Jenny McCarthy. The other links you provided have different results and they also don't mention Jenny McCarthy.
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Jenny McCarthy has been one of the most insistent voices pushing the "vaccines cause autism" myth. The refusers who have autism concerns have heard her message, if not directly from her lips.
I see, so the idea here is that anybody that has concerns about vaccines and autism has been influenced by Jenny McCarthy because she happens to have this view? That makes little sense, this concern predates her rumbling on the matter.
Small Pox was eradicated in the US. Now with people coming from all around the world,both legal and illegal, diseases are showing up again.
Illegal immigrants are not the problem. The countries they come from have high vaccination rates. It is legal, mostly unvaccinated, travelers (citizens as well as tourists) to areas where diseases are still circulating, especially measles.
Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. The last case was in 1977 in Somalia. No one needs to be vaccinated against it anywhere in the world.
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This isn't a survey, it is what one person happens to hear and they didn't say anything about Jenny McCarthy. The other links you provided have different results and they also don't mention Jenny McCarthy.
I initially responded to you because you said an educated person would not listen to Jenny McCarthy.
One link I gave you mentioned "celebrities". No one is going to mention anyone by name in a scientific study, for legal reasons. If you want a survey specifically about McCarthy, there isn't one. If you do not think celebrity hype has anything to do with the increase in vaccine refusal since Wakefield published his fake "study" you must not have listened to any news stories, been on any internet news sites, or read a newspaper or magazine in a while.
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I see, so the idea here is that anybody that has concerns about vaccines and autism has been influenced by Jenny McCarthy because she happens to have this view? That makes little sense, this concern predates her rumbling on the matter.
If you believe the same things she does, it does not matter whether you credit her with influencing your personal decision or not. Vaccines do not cause autism. Do you not understand that Wakefield made up the data in his "study" with the goal of selling his own measles vaccine?
"Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, including Jenny McCarthy. But ABC should know better. ABC knows that people listen to celebrities--and they know Jenny McCarthy's position on vaccines. They had to know that hiring her, and giving her a bigger platform, could end up causing some parents not to vaccinate."
"Just a slim majority of Americans — 52% — think vaccines don't cause autism, a new Harris Interactive/HealthDay poll found.
Conversely, 18% are convinced that vaccines, like the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, can cause the disorder, and another 30% aren't sure."
"Humphrey Taylor, chairman of The Harris Poll ... noted that while the number of people who believe in a connection between vaccines and autism is 'only 18%,' that nonetheless translates to 'millions and millions and millions of people, and it's clear that in some cases that has led them to not vaccinate their children.' "
Celebrities do indeed use their celebrity to advance an anti-vaccine stance, and since there are high levels of vaccine refusal in some high socioeconomic geographic areas, educated people are listening to those celebrities.
Illegal immigrants are not the problem. The countries they come from have high vaccination rates. It is legal, mostly unvaccinated, travelers (citizens as well as tourists) to areas where diseases are still circulating, especially measles.
Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. The last case was in 1977 in Somalia. No one needs to be vaccinated against it anywhere in the world.
I initially responded to you because you said an educated person would not listen to Jenny McCarthy.
One link I gave you mentioned "celebrities". No one is going to mention anyone by name in a scientific study, for legal reasons. If you want a survey specifically about McCarthy, there isn't one. If you do not think celebrity hype has anything to do with the increase in vaccine refusal since Wakefield published his fake "study" you must not have listened to any news stories, been on any internet news sites, or read a newspaper or magazine in a while.
If you believe the same things she does, it does not matter whether you credit her with influencing your personal decision or not. Vaccines do not cause autism. Do you not understand that Wakefield made up the data in his "study" with the goal of selling his own measles vaccine?
"Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, including Jenny McCarthy. But ABC should know better. ABC knows that people listen to celebrities--and they know Jenny McCarthy's position on vaccines. They had to know that hiring her, and giving her a bigger platform, could end up causing some parents not to vaccinate."
"Just a slim majority of Americans — 52% — think vaccines don't cause autism, a new Harris Interactive/HealthDay poll found.
Conversely, 18% are convinced that vaccines, like the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, can cause the disorder, and another 30% aren't sure."
"Humphrey Taylor, chairman of The Harris Poll ... noted that while the number of people who believe in a connection between vaccines and autism is 'only 18%,' that nonetheless translates to 'millions and millions and millions of people, and it's clear that in some cases that has led them to not vaccinate their children.' "
Celebrities do indeed use their celebrity to advance an anti-vaccine stance, and since there are high levels of vaccine refusal in some high socioeconomic geographic areas, educated people are listening to those celebrities.
False syllogism alert. Your conclusion does not follow your major and minor propositions.
There is considerable irony in misusing the science of logic in attempting to dismantle bad science of antivaxxing.
In any case, forget Jenny McCarthy. She is a red herring. Even if people listen to her "in droves", she is not the problem. The problem lies in two functions:
1) the public's understandable skepticism of medical and pharmaceutical dogma
2) and a failure in educating the public otherwise.
There are always charlatans and false prophets. They do not create ignorance nor stupidity. They merely ride the natural waves.
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If you do not think celebrity hype has anything to do with the increase in vaccine refusal since Wakefield published his fake "study" you must not have listened to any news stories, been on any internet news sites, or read a newspaper or magazine in a while. 
