Ongoing Measles Outbreak in California: 51 so far linked to Disneyland (San Jose: movies, exemptions)

[Jo48]

Ok, so how many people have actually died from this outbreak? I think the current number is 91 now? No deaths? Did the 7 month old (very young) infant die? Did the 70 year old (very old) man die?

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Jo48

Ok, so how many people have actually died from this outbreak? I think the current number is 91 now? No deaths? Did the 7 month old (very young) infant die? Did the 70 year old (very old) man die?

Death from measles is relatively rare in developed countries, but many that survive measles end up with live-long health issues from the disease.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by Jo48

Ok, so how many people have actually died from this outbreak? I think the current number is 91 now? No deaths? Did the 7 month old (very young) infant die? Did the 70 year old (very old) man die?

So deaths are the only meaningful statistics?

About one fourth of those infected have been hospitalized, including the seven month old baby whose parents were deathly afraid would die. But that doesn't count because the baby did not die?

Potential complications like blindness and brain damage don't count?

How about wondering if you will develop complications years after the infection was apparently over?

Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health

Lost time from work (and lost wages) for parents of sick kids - or for sick adults - do not count?

Lost time from work (and lost wages) due to quarantine of unvaccinated people who have been exposed does not count?

All the tax money spent on tracing contacts of infected persons and trying to get them vaccinated or quarantining them does not count?

It's all "Ok" to you, right?

Feel free to continue to display your ignorance about measles.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ambient

Outbreak of 51 measles cases linked to Disneyland - CNN.com

This is what happens when idiot liberal parents take the word of some fad-spewing ex stripper over decades and millions of data points from multiple credible sources in the scientific and medical community. Measles can and does kill, disfigure, and permanently impair some portion of kids who get it. I wonder how those idiot parents involved feel now that their kid has it, AND that their kid has been a vector for others to get it. God help them if they have to live with the fact that they allowed their kid to be permanently impaired over something that would have been completely preventable.

Going back here to the original post again for a minute after seeing three articles yesterday reporting on prominent Libertarian and Republican support for parental choice in vaccinating or not. My reason for posting this is, again, to point out the error of assigning political stereotyping to this issue. "Idiot liberal parents" is a counterproductive identification. As I mentioned previously, Libertarians and certain conservative Republican types are at least equally likely to fall for anti-vax encouragements as liberal. In fact, somewhat more likely.

And spokespersons come from all corners in all shapes and sizes. Examples: Rand Paul and Chris Christie:

Election 2016: Potential candidates Rand Paul, Chris Christie weigh in on measles vaccine - CBS News

[nslander]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Going back here to the original post again for a minute after seeing three articles yesterday reporting on prominent Libertarian and Republican support for parental choice in vaccinating or not. My reason for posting this is, again, to point out the error of assigning political stereotyping to this issue. "Idiot liberal parents" is a counterproductive identification. As I mentioned previously, Libertarians and certain conservative Republican types are at least equally likely to fall for anti-vax encouragements as liberal. In fact, somewhat more likely.

And spokespersons come from all corners in all shapes and sizes. Examples: Rand Paul and Chris Christie:

Election 2016: Potential candidates Rand Paul, Chris Christie weigh in on measles vaccine - CBS News

But its much easier fall back on the yoga-map Prius driving construct- its a fixture. Consequently, the D & D libertarian crowd just assumes its "immune" from accountability, so their leaders feel free to speak nonsense to power.

Rand Paul: Vaccines Can Lead to 'Mental Disorders' - NBC News

[ambient]

Originally Posted by Jo48

Ok, so how many people have actually died from this outbreak? I think the current number is 91 now? No deaths? Did the 7 month old (very young) infant die? Did the 70 year old (very old) man die?

If the case load grows to several thousand or tens of thousand, you're statistically likely to start seeing deaths crop up - perfectly preventable ones, particularly among the young and immune-compromised.

That you haven't yet seen a death in the outbreak so far is extremely poor logic in favor of being an anti-vaxxer.

[ambient]

Gupta gets it right... Not to say that science is perfect and doesn't improve in understanding over time, but I really wonder when multiple heaps of scientific evidence became open to the idea of merit based on "personal belief", much like any religion. You see it with vaccines and climate change, most notably.

"No thanks, no gravity for me today... sorry, I just don't believe in it. I am convinced that it's invisible glue on the road that's keeping my feet down. It's my right, and you have to respect that."

No...we don't. You can believe what you want, but at some point when the evidence is overwhelming, it's our right and even obligation to conclude and call out that you're an idiot - especially when your idiocy threatens the health of others.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Vaccines are a matter of fact - CNN.com

Vaccines, however, which have prevented 6 million deaths every year worldwide and have fundamentally changed modern medicine, should not be on that list.

The benefit of vaccines is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact.

Studies, including a meta analysis of 1.2 million children this past December, show no link between vaccines and autism. That is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact.

That you are 100 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to have a serious allergic reaction to the vaccine that protects you against measles is not a matter of opinion.

That is also a matter of fact.

It is worth pointing out that 12 out of 10,000 people who take an aspirin are at risk of intracerebral hemorrhage, or bleeding in the brain. People who regularly take too much acetaminophen are the largest group of people hospitalized for acute liver failure. And, on average, one person in the United States dies every year from H20 intoxication, or drinking too much water. And yet, no armies have formed against aspirin, Tylenol or water.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ambient

If the case load grows to several thousand or tens of thousand, you're statistically likely to start seeing deaths crop up - perfectly preventable ones, particularly among the young and immune-compromised.

That you haven't yet seen a death in the outbreak so far is extremely poor logic in favor of being an anti-vaxxer.

This is entirely true. It is poor logic to declare no deaths in a small sample a sign of innocence. Much as it is poor logic to assign anti-vaxing mentality any connection to yoga mats, Mercedes driving, and liberalism.

[PoppySead]

Hasn't ISIL killed anyone this week? What no Ebola walking through LAX? CNN must be bored.

Yawn....we had this hype last year. Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

And the year before. U.S. measles cases in 2013 may be most in 17 years - CNN.com

I was at the store today and nobody was running out the door screaming "the Measles are coming, the Measles are coming" I think only a few yuppies are worried about catching the Measles because they know someone, that knows someone else who was around Disney at the time of the Measles Outrage!!! LMAO!

Anyone have neighbors fleeing from this outbreak? Nope, didn't think so.

[PoppySead]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

This is entirely true. It is poor logic to declare no deaths in a small sample a sign of innocence. Much as it is poor logic to assign anti-vaxing mentality any connection to yoga mats, Mercedes driving, and liberalism.

Well Tulemutt, I once saw an anti vaxer spread out on a yoga mat at my class. She was like, all yogaee and anti vaxeee at the same time. I slid my mat to the back that day.