Covid virus in phoenix (Miami: banks, capital, accidents)

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by magnum0417

Casinos on sovereign native land. Their rules and choice.

Ahhh yeah. Not good.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Here's something that I can't understand, though. My mother just flew here from Michigan. American Airlines plane packed to the gills. Not an open seat. So it's ok for an airline to operate at full capacity - for someone to sit for 4+ hours next to a A LOT of people, but it's not ok to sit multiple feet away from people at a restaurant for maybe an hour? A lot of things just don't add up for me. I'm pretty conservative when it comes to this pandemic, and I'm very much in favor of public safety/health, but I don't think it's fair that some businesses have to suffer while others are allowed to operate business as usual. I'll never understand how a casino can be open, but a gym cannot.

The airplane versus restaurant thing isn’t confusing at all. Flying can be necessary. Eating in a restaurant can’t. When flying, you can remain masked the whole flight. When eating in a restaurant you can’t. Mystery solved. There’s absolutely no reason someone needs to go out to eat right now.

Casinos are on tribal land. Our government has no say, so the hypocrisy between gyms and casinos doesn’t exist.

Exactly what doesn’t add up? Everything seems to have a logical explanation if you actually think about it.

[magnum0417]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

The airplane versus restaurant thing isn’t confusing at all. Flying can be necessary. Eating in a restaurant can’t. When flying, you can remain masked the whole flight. When eating in a restaurant you can’t. Mystery solved. There’s absolutely no reason someone needs to go out to eat right now.

Casinos are on tribal land. Our government has no say, so the hypocrisy between gyms and casinos doesn’t exist.

Exactly what doesn’t add up? Everything seems to have a logical explanation if you actually think about it.

Except for "bars". Like I explained...places with proper food to drink ratios and liquor licenses are packed to the gills. Driven past Payson Pine and Strawberry several times this month and will leave it at that. Not being enforced with 50% capacity requirements.

To close...all "bars" should of had chance to comply. Better to have 500 people in 5 places than jammed into two while three suffer with no income.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by magnum0417

Except for "bars". Like I explained...places with proper food to drink ratios and liquor licenses are packed to the gills. Driven past Payson Pine and Strawberry several times this month and will leave it at that. Not being enforced with 50% capacity requirements.

To close...all "bars" should of had chance to comply. Better to have 500 people in 5 places than jammed into two while three suffer with no income.

The issue then is enforcement. I believe the fire inspector, liquor commission and health inspector can all enforce the capacity limitations. But to your point, what's the difference if someone takes their mask off to inhale a burger or pound a beer in the absence of food.

[magnum0417]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

The issue then is enforcement. I believe the fire inspector, liquor commission and health inspector can all enforce the capacity limitations. But to your point, what's the difference if someone takes their mask off to inhale a burger or pound a beer in the absence of food.

Exactly. Local gin mills have suffered. From small towns to Metro PHX. Once again...not fair. Feel all food and beverage should of had level playing field this month.

Yes...Gila and Yavapai Counties have a "wild west" attitude so not surprising to see. Not my job to enforce...leave it up to county health dept.

[FlurryCat]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Here's something that I can't understand, though. My mother just flew here from Michigan. American Airlines plane packed to the gills. Not an open seat. So it's ok for an airline to operate at full capacity - for someone to sit for 4+ hours next to a A LOT of people, but it's not ok to sit multiple feet away from people at a restaurant for maybe an hour? A lot of things just don't add up for me. I'm pretty conservative when it comes to this pandemic, and I'm very much in favor of public safety/health, but I don't think it's fair that some businesses have to suffer while others are allowed to operate business as usual. I'll never understand how a casino can be open, but a gym cannot.

Airlines are a too-big-to-fail industry so they get more leeway than others. So they can spout all that nonsense about HEPA filters and cabin air turnover being the ultimate protection and when no authority questions it, people just buy it. Better to have mask requirements and good filtration than not, but unless everyone has a direct hose from their mask to the cabin filters, that air passes several other people on the way to the intake.


Not saying air travel should be banned, just that perhaps they need to go back to open middle seats, and that we should be aware of the risks and make our decisions accordingly.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

This is my problem with the whole thing. It seems like the mom and pop places are the ones with the restrictions and the mega corporations are business as usual.

It seems safer to me to eat in a restaurant than it does to walk through the zoo called Costco, Wal Mart, or Sams Club.

The question is not one of whether one is safer or not. It is whether one is "essential" or not. There are take out options at most restaurants so the only reason for going into one would be for the ambiance and atmosphere. That is not essential.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by FlurryCat

Airlines are a too-big-to-fail industry so they get more leeway than others. So they can spout all that nonsense about HEPA filters and cabin air turnover being the ultimate protection and when no authority questions it, people just buy it. Better to have mask requirements and good filtration than not, but unless everyone has a direct hose from their mask to the cabin filters, that air passes several other people on the way to the intake.


Not saying air travel should be banned, just that perhaps they need to go back to open middle seats, and that we should be aware of the risks and make our decisions accordingly.

I hear what you are saying. Also realize that the cabin air all gets recirculated past 1000+ degree engines that killing ANY virus. Later, it is cooled by the outside air thousands of feet in the sky. Of course, we have the HEPA filters too that add value.

I would consider flying SWA. But only because of the center seat is still open (and my wife is also in my row), Next, the blower would be pushing down slightly in front of my head. Finally, I would only fly with a comfortable N-95 mask that I know is fitted well. All of those combined and you would be considered incredibly safe. Not so much with a surgical mask that you cannot breathe through.

Realize thousands of ER docs and pomologists testing COVID patients have yet to contract COVID. N95's property fit work incredibly well. I had to go to the Doc a couple of times. With my N-95's, I slept like a baby. With a bandana, not so much!

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

The airplane versus restaurant thing isn’t confusing at all. Flying can be necessary. Eating in a restaurant can’t. When flying, you can remain masked the whole flight. When eating in a restaurant you can’t. Mystery solved. There’s absolutely no reason someone needs to go out to eat right now.

Casinos are on tribal land. Our government has no say, so the hypocrisy between gyms and casinos doesn’t exist.

Exactly what doesn’t add up? Everything seems to have a logical explanation if you actually think about it.

Ok...but at least before airlines were eliminating the middle seat to at least give the perception of social distancing. Now they are just packing them in. A restaurant has to go down to 50% capacity. Why shouldn't an airplane have to do the same thing? I know you just argue for the sake of arguing, but I'm curious to hear your response. For someone who is so paranoid of Covid, I would think you would actually understand my sentiment of the airplane issue. During the pandemic, most people don't NEED to fly. You know that.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Ok...but at least before airlines were eliminating the middle seat to at least give the perception of social distancing. Now they are just packing them in. A restaurant has to go down to 50% capacity. Why shouldn't an airplane have to do the same thing? I know you just argue for the sake of arguing, but I'm curious to hear your response. For someone who is so paranoid of Covid, I would think you would actually understand my sentiment of the airplane issue. During the pandemic, most people don't NEED to fly. You know that.

A few in Congress have been arguing that exact point. No one is paying attention.