Covid virus in phoenix (quality of life, property taxes, child care)

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by john3232

And what's going to be done the next time thousands gather to protest and many aren't wearing a mask?

Nothing.

Because nothing can be done.

Like in San Francisco when the city shut down but public transportation was allowed to run because people need to get to work. O.k.

But how do you square social distance guidelines with a crowded #38 bus line?

You can't. So, city officials ignored it.

Sure you can. You can issue citations. To some, the fine won’t be a deterrent, but to many it will be. To suggest that enforcement is impossible and therefore we must do nothing doesn’t seem like the most strategic response.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Sure you can. You can issue citations. To some, the fine won’t be a deterrent, but to many it will be. To suggest that enforcement is impossible and therefore we must do nothing doesn’t seem like the most strategic response.

LOL. Who exactly is going to issue citations to those not wearing a mask at the next BLM protest?

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by john3232

LOL. Who exactly is going to issue citations to those not wearing a mask at the next BLM protest?

A few of the hundreds of cops standing around maybe. Although you’re right that it won’t happen because then they’d have to do so at the indoor trump rallies and that ain’t happening. At least most of the BLM protesters had masks on. Either way, to suggest that we just throw our hands up in defeat and do nothing isn’t a strategy.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

A few of the hundreds of cops standing around maybe. Although you’re right that it won’t happen because then they’d have to do so at the indoor trump rallies and that ain’t happening. At least most of the BLM protesters had masks on. Either way, to suggest that we just throw our hands up in defeat and do nothing isn’t a strategy.

What can be done is what's happening now. Some stores will post a security guard at the entrance to ensure customers are wearing a mask and some stores won't.

But nobody is going to crack down on the Indian reservations where the virus is reported to be spreading like wildfire.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by john3232

What can be done is what's happening now. Some stores will post a security guard at the entrance to ensure customers are wearing a mask and some stores won't.

But nobody is going to crack down on the Indian reservations where the virus is reported to be spreading like wildfire.

The reservations are essentially shut down with no real time table to reopen. How does one crack down on groups more cracked down on than ourselves?

[john3232]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

The reservations are essentially shut down with no real time table to reopen. How does one crack down on groups more cracked down on than ourselves?

I don't know but considering the Indian reservations are one of the hottest areas in the entire country maybe local public health officials might consider a much closer look.

Nabbing those entering Fry's -85205 without a mask is one thing but when are officials going to crack down in the poorer zip codes where the virus is spreading at a much higher rate? Ans: They aren't.

Because there's little if anything that can be done. You can't fine them or put poor people in jail over this.

And if you're going to attend a BLM protest or a Trump rally or hit a packed beach or have a large gathering of family and friends in the house/backyard (like my renter is having this evening...) and not wear a mask so be it.

Because we either treat everyone the same with regards to enforcement of health guidelines or forget it.

Now... should the body count starts to skyrocket. Yes, we will see local, state and Federal governments get serious fast..

But until that happens I will continue to wear a mask and wash my hands and avoid large crowds. And I suggest you do the same.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Because it wouldn't be politically correct to say so. Nothing negative can be said about the BLM protests. If you have white doctors saying BLM protests caused spikes, that would be a big no-no. Everyone has to play the game, even people with an MD at the end of their name.

Out of curiosity, why did you assume the doctors are white? That’s a big no-no. Lol

[Zippyman]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

And these are personal choices, at least it seems, you two are practicing your own personal responsibility; not doing so because you've been ordered by the .gov.


At least that is what I'm reading here . . . And there is not one thing wrong with that. If you feel like you should wear a mask, then go ahead. If you feel like you should isolate, well go ahead.


I am just against being treated like a child by the .gov.

It’s not a “personal choice” anymore when you (or someone you infect) ends up under the care of an “essential worker”..

There was (and is) no option to “just stay home” for essential workers beyond losing all your income, and your health insurance (during a pandemic) with a “voluntary-ish” quit.

I had to quit a job where I was being exposed to “freedom crusaders” involuntarily, at work- because my employer was spineless and my local government was also spineless - which put me (and my patients) in danger of getting the virus, all because of a few jerks who wouldn’t wear masks in a healthcare setting - and corporate squids who valued profit over the health of their patients and staff. Those who made that decision were safely “working from home”, and thus immune from the consequences of their actions.

That’s *why* I’m in favor of the government “treating you like a child”. We can’t count on employers to do the right thing, as evidenced by this entire fiasco. I’m told the n-95’s are still safely locked up at my old employer. Several of my former patients are dead of covid.

Enjoy your freedumb, but I’d advise against exercising that first-amendment right in person, as you may not realize who has been affected by this, and how significantly. One of my neighbors is an essential worker, and she’s been living in a camper in her driveway for months already, with no end in sight.

The internet is a safe-space for idiocy, but in the real world - people can shorten your nose when that freedumb affects their lives and livelihoods.

[DetroitN8V]

Time to shut the churches down. I guess they didn’t get in on the magic air purifier.

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...e-for-covid-19

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by asufan

I already posted in this very thread that of course they spread it around a bit, many weren't wearing masks, one person argued with me. But the question is, was it really enough to move the needle? Probably not. I would put more blame on people like you that decided to go out to eat in a dine-in restaurant during a pandemic,. carelessly breathing all of that recirculated air vs groups largely outdoors. There's definitely SUBSTANTIALLY MORE people in restaurants and bars and shopping centers without masks than there were protestors on the streets. The fact is, you and Sno are trying to politicize this by not recognizing that but instead pointing out a group that doesn't agree with your ideology and assigning the blame to them.

Politicize? No. Just giving my opinion based on observation. Isn't that what a random forum is all about? Or are we all just supposed to follow your lead?