Amazon is looking for a second HQ. Why not, Pittsburgh? (Indiana: to relocate, title)

[Mtl-Cns]

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

So anybody who disagrees with either of you is a troll. I don’t understand. There appears to be a healthy debate lacking from this thread. It is all one sided with nobody wanting to reason with those that disagree. Maybe you both are the trolls. Continue to have everything censored and watch the participation drop.

I was pointing out Pittsburgh’s problems won’t be solved with amazon. It will be a positive step with jobs, but current residents will put up a fight and community groups will sue. It takes years to change culture. It will be a long drag to the finish line if this happens. And most residents will feel the pain in their wallet with rising cost.s.

I dont think it has anything to do with who's disagreeing with whom, it's that you have 15 posts thay all say the same thing. You don't want people to think you're a troll then try diversifying your comments and threads on which you post.

Anyway like any city, Pittsburgh does have some problems. I personally don't consider population to be one of them. Not would I expect Amazon to be a solution. But you're not wrong on some things like pwsa which goes to show that people can agree with you on some things and still consider you a troll.

[Yac]

Accusing someone of being a troll makes you the troll. And is not allowed.
Report and leave those kinds of decisions to us.
Yac.

[dbr56]

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Amazon is going to choose Pittsburgh. It will be a a tide that lifts all boats. The population decline will reverse and the income equality will magically erase. People aren’t going to fight. The city and its residents are going to welcome them with open arms. The politicians of this city will be remembered fondly like president FDR for growing the ecomy. PWSA will become a solvent agency delivering the best and most lead free water in the US. It will be like drinking spring water from the Rockies. The amazon package is the most fair and looks out for the citizens of Pittsburgh. Amazon will decide to partner with these great politicians and provide affordable housing. Home wood will become the next model for gentrification. Pittsburgh public schools will become blue ribbon, exceeding USC and mt Lebanon. Mayor Peduto is so enthralled with amazon he decides to drop the wage tax from 3 to 1 percent. Pittsburgh is the next Mecca in the new economy.

See. you literally have nothing to say. I respect purposeful debate, I hate pointless debate. You chose to not address a single point of rebuttal to your position. Your childish answer just affirms your real intention on here.

Stated another, entirely different, way - every city on the list has issues. Amazon will not solve everyone's problems. Some new problems will occur. For all cities. Your position that Pittsburgh is unique is ridiculous.

[gg]

Originally Posted by pittsburghaccuweather

Amazon is going to choose Pittsburgh. It will be a a tide that lifts all boats. The population decline will reverse and the income equality will magically erase. People aren’t going to fight. The city and its residents are going to welcome them with open arms. The politicians of this city will be remembered fondly like president FDR for growing the ecomy. PWSA will become a solvent agency delivering the best and most lead free water in the US. It will be like drinking spring water from the Rockies. The amazon package is the most fair and looks out for the citizens of Pittsburgh. Amazon will decide to partner with these great politicians and provide affordable housing. Home wood will become the next model for gentrification. Pittsburgh public schools will become blue ribbon, exceeding USC and mt Lebanon. Mayor Peduto is so enthralled with amazon he decides to drop the wage tax from 3 to 1 percent. Pittsburgh is the next Mecca in the new economy.

Much of this could actually happen, BUT one thing WON'T! You seem to forget once a tax is in place it is forever. PA Turnpike was temporary toll road. Onarodo Tax? Taxes ALWAYS increase and never decrease and we will always get less for our tax dollar. Now if the do come here, which would be great, we would probably see better schools and infrastructure, not to mention a better airport. It would be a win for all that work hard in our area, but might not be great for the porch sitting folks that don't do much.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by dbr56

See. you literally have nothing to say. I respect purposeful debate, I hate pointless debate. You chose to not address a single point of rebuttal to your position. Your childish answer just affirms your real intention on here.

Stated another, entirely different, way - every city on the list has issues. Amazon will not solve everyone's problems. Some new problems will occur. For all cities. Your position that Pittsburgh is unique is ridiculous.

Oh, it was sarcasm. That seems to be acceptable here from some posters. And as I've been told so many times on other issues, the topic is "Why not, Pittsburgh". It's not about "every city on the list".

[JoeP]

Sigh.

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Most people believe the main reason Pittsburgh made this Amazon list is because of Carnegie Mellon University.

I don’t have the newest data but in 2015 CMU graduated 146 students with computer science degrees. Of the 146 only 77 percent opted to search for full time employment while the others went to grad school or other.

In 2016 there were nearly 7,000 people that applied for the computer science college at CMU. They accepted 205.

Very small in numbers. It is enough to support the east liberty tech scene, but doesn’t appear strong enough for 50K jobs.

[_Buster]

Why would you assume all the jobs will be filled by computer science majors? Any city they choose they are going to need to recruit from many other places, regardless.

[WhoIsStanwix?]

Originally Posted by _Buster

Why would you assume all the jobs will be filled by computer science majors? Any city they choose they are going to need to recruit from many other places, regardless.

And specifically, computer science undergrads.

[pittsburghaccuweather]

Originally Posted by _Buster

Why would you assume all the jobs will be filled by computer science majors? Any city they choose they are going to need to recruit from many other places, regardless.

When locals talk about CMU they make it sound like they are graduating large armies of high tech folks. As an outsider spoke with me and had the misconception that there are hundreds if not a few thousand or more tech folks graduating there each year. It is a very small university and some locals make it seem much larger in volume for graduating folks than what is is.. It is very important to the city and is probably just enough to handle the current opportunities available in the city.

And my point was that yes they will have to recruit from elsewhere to get the volume of folks needed to fill the amazon jobs. It’s sad that in a metro of 2.3 million people you don’t have the talent available on hand to fill amazons wants and needs. Will they be able to get folks to move here and keep them? That’s the million dollar question. Preaching lower salary for cost of living is not gonna do it either. That is a gimmick that’s failed up to this point. It’s much easier to do in a city that is already growing vs one on the decline.

This is a big reason why they were asking about bike lines, housing and quality of life stuff. And would people want to stay here.

That said I can’t imagine a flood of thousands of new folks with our current state and condition of housing stock in most city and first ring suburban neighborhoods. It would have to improve and in a hurry. Would there be enough contractors to handle the volume and is their workforce strong enough? Lots of tangibles in play.